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Guernica
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danielrbischoff
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 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: |
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It's also on our front page news feed--
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Guernica
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Ooooh my bad.... didn't see the post on front page or it wasn't there when I looked. |
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tinymhg
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: Re: ME3 Multiplayer |
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| Guernica wrote: | http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/bioware-officially-details-mass-effect-3s-multiplayer-8857
There's the info you've all been waiting for! Might be pretty cool.... obviously it's optional so if you think multiplayer is bad for a ME game just don't play it. |
." Apparently playing this multiplayer mode successfully will result in positive effects on the outcome in single-player." (From the front page article you linked to)
| tinymhg wrote: | | Bogus! The multiplayer should never affect a single play campaign. |
| cheesegod99 wrote: | | I agree completely - it sounds like they are tacking on extra work to get the good ending! As someone who has a "perfect" ME1&2 save going... I don't want to have to play multiplayer to save the galaxy... |
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NickKmet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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The FAQ says you don't have to play the multiplayer to get the best possible result. It's just one possible way to get it.
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used44
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| So the multiplayer is not adversarial, it's co-op missions? I'm totally cool with that. My guess is there's a big war at the end, and the co-op missions involve forming a group of custom soldiers and fighting skirmishes. |
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tinymhg
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| NickKmet wrote: | | The FAQ says you don't have to play the multiplayer to get the best possible result. It's just one possible way to get it. |
Imo the multiplayer should never affect a single player campaign in anyway. 
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Longo_2_guns
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, it was obvious they were going to do this, even with Anthony not so subtly implying it a whole bunch. EA is trying to push multiplayer into every single one of their games. So yeah.
Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player, which was the main focus of the game until now, and alter it to just be a typical shooter. Go figure.
Regardless, here's the thing. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE SINGLEPLAYER SUCKS. Not after ME2, anyway, which was SO FAR OFF in the wrong direction that it all Mass Effect 3 can do is try to cover lost ground. I hope I don't have to explain myself, but if you need me to I can easily write out the failings of Mass Effect 2, especially in regards to plot.
Basically, though, despite the numbers at the end of them and the supposed connection, ALL three Mass Effect games were made to be stand alone.
So you know what? It doesn't matter if they add in multiplayer. In fact, why the hell not? The game has become little more than a Gears of War style corridor shooter with a speech wheel anyway.
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NickKmet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
This. |
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Longo_2_guns
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
It will still take resources to make, and besides, now they have to rework things in the main story to shoehorn in the whole multiplayer aspect of it all.
I stand by everything I said.
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NickKmet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Longo_2_guns wrote: | | NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
It will still take resources to make, and besides, now they have to rework things in the main story to shoehorn in the whole multiplayer aspect of it all.
I stand by everything I said. |
Did you read the statement? It's completely standalone from the singleplayer. It doesn't involve any characters from the singleplayer. It's an extra feature that has zero definite effect on the outcome of the game. Sure, resources are being used, but it's a different studio. It's not like the people who spent time on the last two games are spending any less time or effort on this one.
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Green_Lantern
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
It will still take resources to make, and besides, now they have to rework things in the main story to shoehorn in the whole multiplayer aspect of it all.
I stand by everything I said. |
Did you read the statement? It's completely standalone from the singleplayer. It doesn't involve any characters from the singleplayer. It's an extra feature that has zero definite effect on the outcome of the game. Sure, resources are being used, but it's a different studio. It's not like the people who spent time on the last two games are spending any less time or effort on this one. |
So then what's the point of adding it in the first place? |
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NickKmet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Green_Lantern wrote: | | NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
It will still take resources to make, and besides, now they have to rework things in the main story to shoehorn in the whole multiplayer aspect of it all.
I stand by everything I said. |
Did you read the statement? It's completely standalone from the singleplayer. It doesn't involve any characters from the singleplayer. It's an extra feature that has zero definite effect on the outcome of the game. Sure, resources are being used, but it's a different studio. It's not like the people who spent time on the last two games are spending any less time or effort on this one. |
So then what's the point of adding it in the first place? |
Probably because EA demanded it. Or they thought it would add something to the game. I don't really know. I'm not currently working on the project, so don't blame me for it. I'm just going off of what Bioware is saying about it..
With an outside developer working on it (though it's technically just the new BioWare studio in Montreal), and the minimal effect on singleplayer, it really seems as though EA said, "Multiplayer, Naow!" and BioWare told them that they'd only do it if they didn't have to spend time on it or make it a big portion of the game.
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Bretimus_v2
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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So essentially it's Spec Ops for ME3?
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NickKmet
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Bretimus_v2 wrote: | | So essentially it's Spec Ops for ME3? |
I guess. If you do well or something, you can have a positive effect on the single player campaign, but it isn't necessary to get the best ending. It's just one possible option to make that happen.
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Longo_2_guns
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| NickKmet wrote: | | Did you read the statement? It's completely standalone from the singleplayer. It doesn't involve any characters from the singleplayer. It's an extra feature that has zero definite effect on the outcome of the game. Sure, resources are being used, but it's a different studio. It's not like the people who spent time on the last two games are spending any less time or effort on this one. |
| Quote: | | Bioware has confirmed that Galaxy at War will effect Mass Effect 3's overall "Galactic Readiness" level. This measures Commander Shepard's "ability to apply every possible asset - people, weapons, resources, armies, fleets - in the final battle against the Reapers." |
So they still have to find ways to push it into the singleplayer part.
Regardless, the big thing with multiplayer is it allows two things. One, to keep people from wanting to trade in the game and buy a used copy and two, allows EA to charge people an online "pass" to get more money from used sales. It's why they're pushing it into every game they have.
Even then, it's like I said in my first post, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It does not matter.
Why? Because no matter what, they have to build up from Mass Effect 2. And Mass Effect 2 has the plot equivalent of the Star Wars prequels. And really, considering even the first game was just a flashy shooter with some RPG, and 2 even less so, then it doesn't matter if they just make it into a gigantic online shooter. So really, since they've got no where to go but up as far as this goes (though they could go way down).
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tinymhg
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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How much data can be stored on one DVD? How much room does it take to store the multiplayer mode on the DVD? What gets cut if the multiplayer mode is too big to fit on the DVD, but is no where big enough to justify the cost of a second DVD?
The first two question I have no idea what the answers are. However I am pretty sure the answer to the third question is the single player campaign. If a multiplayer mode is included in a game that really doesn’t need a multiplayer mode, it is taking up space on the DVD that could have gone to more single player content.
| NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | NickKmet wrote: | | Longo_2_guns wrote: | | Really, though, this will take resources away from the single player |
I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, since the multiplayer is being developed by a completely different studio. |
It will still take resources to make, and besides, now they have to rework things in the main story to shoehorn in the whole multiplayer aspect of it all.
I stand by everything I said. |
Did you read the statement? It's completely standalone from the singleplayer. It doesn't involve any characters from the singleplayer. It's an extra feature that has zero definite effect on the outcome of the game. Sure, resources are being used, but it's a different studio. It's not like the people who spent time on the last two games are spending any less time or effort on this one. |
Games have something called a budget (Google it), even if there is another developer team making the multiplayer mode it all still has to be done under budget. EA isn’t going to throw money away. They have enough business savvy to “run the numbers” and “do the math,” and they know what the game will make with and without a multiplayer mode. My guess is the budget would be the same either way.
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Guernica
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Despite all the complaints I feel that this won't effect my decision to buy the game. It also won't change how I play the game. As long as the single player is there and in some capacity very in-depth I will play the shit out of it... I have a feeling that most people are in this group as well.
And maybe if I have no other games to play at the time and I have some friends playing online I might check it out too. But if it doesn't effect the game I want to play then I dunno why I'd play it over a better multiplayer game. |
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used44
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Nominate Guernica for TPS. |
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