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What are your thoughts on Ryzen?

 
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Ryzen: Yay or nay?
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Jonathan_Leack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:53 am    Post subject: What are your thoughts on Ryzen? Reply with quote

AMD just had its biggest hardware launch in over a decade. For the most part, its performance has resulted in a lot of praise. However, some are unimpressed with how it compares to Intel's solutions for gaming.

Do you think AMD has a winner here? Also, would you consider buying it?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too early. They sound awesome, but they just haven't been in consumers' hands long enough. I'll need to wait and see how well they preform over time and if there are any programs that don't work well on them (games, especially) before I decide if I want one or not.

I also have a bit of a sore spot toward AMD because Radeon is such a pain in the neck.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine got his in the mail a while ago. I haven't seen it personally but from what I heard there were some issues when he gamed with it. It could also be the fact that he OC'd the shit out of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still too early to tell what the actual performance is going to be like long term. It's having huge issues in windows 10, one of which is throwing tasks around different cores to load level, resulting in the CPU constantly needing to switch between the 2 separate L3 caches it has (2x8mb + 1x4mb L2)
That on top of the motherboards STILL not having good BIOS despite them having bloody months and a decent amount of time after launch, one of my favorite youtube reviewers is needing to use straight up 4000mhz DDR4 just to get it to run at 3200 in his MSI board, let alone the massive amounts of problems asus boards have been having including incompatibility with certain RAM kits.

Wait until the 1600X launches because it's going to be the go-to gaming chip, by then all the kinks will be worked out and a 6c/12t ryzen running at 4.2ghz will be a beast in gaming, especially going into the future where games are finally becoming multithreaded.


List of things that need to be sorted:
Windows 10 RTC disliking 0.25x multipliers, causing timing issues
Software not reading L3 properly (thinking each core has 8MB of L3, rather than 2MB/core)
Static partitioning methods being used shows performance gains when SMT (hyperthreading) is disabled
Ryzen showing large performance gains with faster memory, limited to 3200 at best right now
Microsoft’s scheduler not understanding the different CCX core-to-core latencies
Windows not scheduling threads within a CCX before moving onto the next CCX

That can all be fixed with windows and BIOS updates, so go back and look at ryzen gaming performance in a couple weeks.

Jonathan_Leack wrote:
Also, would you consider buying it?

I'm just waiting on the 1600X before i do, was considering a 1700 but i'd rather save money and have higher clocks.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts? Is it pronounced Rye-zen or Risen?? That's about the only thoughts I have for it.

I'm good in the CPU department for a while with my 6700K.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also shit like this happening (which also affects dirt rally and grid autosport):





There's also some other non-EGO engine games (like ghost recon wildlands) that are seeing ryzen as 16c/16t rather than 8c/16t, reducing performance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case anyone was wondering, i wasn't overstating the RAM speed problem. Look at F1 above and these slides below, board manufacturers absolutely need to step their game up. As of right now, if you want to buy ryzen, get one of the gigabyte boards, because they're the ones that are reliably getting 3200mhz.






Slides are from this video, which is an excellent explanation of ryzens strong and weak points.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other news, the Ryzen 5 CPUs (4/6 cores) are going to be launching on April 11th, with the big one being the 1600X which is going for $249usd, as a 6c/12t running at 4.1ghz out of the box with the full 16mb of cache. Has the same 95w TDP as the 8 cores so hopefully we'll see some higher clocks.
The second big bit of news is the R5 1400, which is 4c / 8t like intels i7, running at 3.4ghz, and for less than the price of a similarly clocked i5, selling for only $169usd.

This news has led to multiple reactions from intel, and the 100% certainty of a kaby lake price drop being imminent.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt Intel is really sweating at all, they're still by far the top dog in the CPU game. Sure, a price drop might be coming but that's about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMD are about to release an unlocked, slightly underclocked i7-7700 for just over 1/2 the price, destroying all of intels current low-to-mid and mid-to-high end lineup (i3-7300, 7320, 7350K, i5-7400, 7500, 7600, i7-7700) after just releasing the 1800X, a 6900K killer for 1/2 the price.
The only desktop CPUs they now have safe are the Celerons, Pentiums, the i3-7100 (all low price, low profit) and the i7-7700K. The 7600K is a 4c/4t going up against a 6/12t (1600X @ 249) at the current price or a 4c/8t if they drop it down to the 1500X @ $189.

Here's the Ryzen CPUs and their direct intel competition at current pricing:

R5 1400 (4c/8t, 3.2ghz) @ $169 vs i5-7400 (4c/4t, 3.0ghz) @ $195
R5 1500X (4c/8t, 3.5ghz) @ $189 vs i5-7500 (4c/4t, 3.4ghz) @ $205 (sale)
R5 1600 (6c/12t, 3.2ghz) @ $219 vs i5-7600 (4c/4t 3.5ghz) @ $230
R5 1600X (6c/12t, 3.6ghz) @ $249 vs i7-7700 (4c/8t, 3.6ghz) @ $315 (sale)
R7 1700 (8c/16t, 3.0ghz) @ $349 vs i7-6800K (6c/12t, 3.4ghz) @ $450 (sale)
R7 1700X (8c/16t, 3.4ghz) @ $399 vs i7-6850K (6c/12t, 3.6ghz) @ $610 (sale)
R7 1800X (8c/16t, 3.6ghz) @ $499 vs i7-6900K (8c/16t, 3.2ghz) @ 1050 (free halo wars 2)

And every single one of them is unlocked, and every non-X comes with a better cooler than intel, on boards generally cheaper than intel.


Yeah, i'd say Intel are sweating their bloody balls off right now.
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