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Better Than Final Fantasy VII?

Posted on Wednesday, May 16 @ 07:53:20 Eastern by


The latest issue of Famitsu features a retrospective on Final Fantasy VII, where Tetsuya Nomura, who was responsible for the game's memorable character design and epic story, gives his thoughts on the game and the series.

A couple key quotes stuck out like a sore thumb, dumbfounding me. First, he adknowledges that fans want to see a Final Fantasy VII remake, but says that new titles take precedence, adding that the FF teams want to create something "better than FFVII"...

Yeah, sure. You do that.

"The new Final Fantasy must over come Final Fantasy of the past".

Yeah, fucking right.

The realist in me understands that, of course, they're trying to make new and better games than what they've already done in the past. Anyone who cares about their career is always striving to do better, and best their own personal accomplishments.

But the gamer in me can't help but roll my eyes so far back into my skull that I can see my pituitary gland. Final Fantasy VII, while not my personal favorite (FFVI is), is undeniably the pinnacle of Final Fantasy, to which all other Final Fantasy games are compared—to which all other RPGs are compared.

If that's what they're going for (creating something better than FFVII), then they are missing their mark...by a lot. Final Fantasy XIII is by no means a "bad" game, but it's not the Final Fantasy I grew up loving. Final Fantasy XIV is a bad game. Period. Who the fuck even knows what is going on with Versus XIII. And we may never even see Type-0 in North America due to some localization issues (so Heath tells me).

Obviously the genius behind the Final Fantasy franchise have it in them to create greatness, but there's no harm in re-creating and re-capturing previous greatness. And I'm not just talking about a remake of FFVII, what I'm really getting at is that Final Fantasy needs to listen to its fans, go back to its roots, and stop trying to Westernize the franchise—something they clearly don't understand and cannot execute.

All of this said, I truly hope they can make something better than Final Fantasy VII. The fans deserve it. The developers deserve it.

Tell GR: Do you think Final Fantasy's heyday is long gone? Or will they ever make something that "overcome Final Fantasy of the past"?




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  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    I think the main minds behind Final Fantasy have either moved on to different projects/companies or are simply burned out. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, X/X-2, and XIII/XIII-2 focused a lot on sci-fi settings and since Final Fantasy VII was the first in the series that was hugely successful in modernized/sci-fi themes cause Western fans usually like that kind of stuff (generalization but bear with me), I believe that Square tried to cash in on that success based on that.


    Final Fantasy hasn't really gone back to the more traditional fantasy settings until Final Fantasy XII and its spinoffs. I believe that if Square were to try to make another Final Fantasy based on that or any game from Final Fantasy 6 and earlier, they may be able to recapture that magic.
  • Somaroth
    Somaroth

    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 8:33 am
    Once upon a time, I wished that some high-up on the development change would try to use the stand-alone nature of the series' games, as a license for an Auteur project. I don't really see that, with the exception for their fascination with improving visuals (not completely unreasonable, but rather tertiary to rest of a game).

    My wish remains unfulfilled, but honestly, I haven't had much business with Square Enix game lately so I don't find that a huge loss.
  • Somaroth
    Somaroth

    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 8:34 am
    edit: "game" should be "games"
  • ShadeTail
    ShadeTail

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 8:39 am
    To claim that all RPGs are measured against FF7 is rather myopic. Some people do that, and they're a very vocal group, but I don't believe for one instant that they are anywhere near the majority. Plenty of folks believe that FF7 was surpassed long ago, and we don't consider it the pinnacle of anything just because it sold a lot of PS1 systems.

    It's not that FF7 is anything special in and of itself, it's that it came out right when video games were finally going mainstream. The stereotype that video games were kids' crap played by children, computer nerds, and shut-ins living in their parents' basement was starting to crack, and FF7 benefited from that massive social shift.

    But the truth is, FF7 was nothing new that previous FF games hadn't already done. And future games just in the FF series, let alone other series, have left it in the dust in terms of story-telling, game mechanics, and the like.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am
    I wish they would remake VII for people like me who never got to play and wants to see what all the fuss is about. If they never remade RE4 I would have missed that one too and it turned out to be one of my favourite games ever
  • Somaroth
    Somaroth

    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 9:45 am
    In the case of RE4 it was not so much remade, as it was re-released with some tweaks to the resolution that didn't require drastic changes to texture or character models. I understand what you mean though, there's a lot of games that I would like to see remake/re-releases for.

    FF VII on the other hand is just too old to do that with, it would need to be entirely remade from the ground up, and require resources that would be better served on an entirely new project. Or at least that's the logic they bank on. I can see their point, but I think it would be interesting they did take the recreation route on the PS1 classics, seeing as they don't seem very productive with the newer entries.

    If you are just looking to play the game, on the other hand, it is available on PSN and XBLA (I think) in its original state, though it has not aged well.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    FF7 is on xbla?
  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    No it's PSN only.
  • spartan317
    spartan317

    Joined: Dec 2005
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
    I almost shat when I saw that thanks for clearing it up...
  • LawnGnome
    LawnGnome

    Joined: Apr 2007
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 9:25 am
    Final Fantasy's heyday is indeed long gone and I don't think they'll ever create a game even on par with the old FFs if they keep going in the same direction they're on. A remake or even an HD edition of any of the old FFs would introduce a new generation of gamers to their franchise, re-engage the old generation, and generate a ton of revenue to make new, better FF games. Why would they want to do that?
  • shandog137
    shandog137

    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    I don't get it either the demand is there and even if they put a smaller team together and work on it as a side project over the next couple of years they could make a killing. The only other thing i can think is that they don't want to screw up the legend. Some games may be best left as remembered. But damn would i like to see a remake.
  • cyberjim2000
    cyberjim2000

    Joined: Feb 2010
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 10:49 am
    They do, they kept remaking or porting the older 2D Final Fantasies. The problem with FF7/8/9 is that they're all older 3D Final Fantasies and they would have to remake the games from the ground up. That's why you don't see the first games in a lot of the HD collections (Silent Hill and MGS).
  • MarkyBee
    MarkyBee

    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    Silent Hill has been released in "HD" though it's a terrible attempt ... However, MGS has been really well remade for the gamecube - the cutscenes we also completely redone and are now a bit rediculous and over the top, but this kind of remake is just fuel for the fire supporting a FF7 remake.

    -A new spin on an old FF wouldn't enamor me more towards Square Enix products, they tried to remake Front Mission into an action game and it totally bites I loved the original Front Mission PSone/2 series and was deeply saddened they turned into into a watered down Armoured Core... :(
  • blake_peterson
    blake_peterson

    Joined: Oct 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Just on a personal level, I prefer both 6 and 12 to 7. Seven was a huge jump in graphic fidelity, it had mini-games and pushed the boundaries the genre towards cyberpunk. I remember thinking, "it doesn't just have to be medieval landscapes? Wow!" But I'd take 6's epic story and massive cast (Mass Effect 2 is the only game I've played that captured that cast quest feel that the end of 6 had) and XII was like the worlds most endearing Final Fantasy/Star Wars mashup.
  • LinksOcarina
    LinksOcarina

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    I think the problem is Final Fantasy VII is the benchmark, when its an overrated game.

    So yeah, this should not be hard to top...
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    FF7 is nostalgic, and for some the first FF game they played. If theres a demand for it why not do it, how many numerals you gonna put after FFXIII? I enjoyed the story, the graphics for its time were impressive and people loved the characters. Heres a deal, if a remake fails stop making any more FF games so some of us can stop gritting our teeth and clenching our asses.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    I played FF VI (or FF III SNES) as my first FF/JRPG it became my standard of what a good game was. Most other FF I've played haven't been as near as good so I stoped playing them. But I have never played FF 7, which I would dearly love to do.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: May 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    FF7 is my favorite although I did like 8, hated 9s look and played X and X-2 because Im comfortable with my masculinity. Beyond that it became just another effeminate male, rehash anime rpg... that happens to have chocobos and moogles. I regret 9 because Ive got no problem with them going back to the old school classes but it just visually didnt do anything for me.
  • spartan317
    spartan317

    Joined: Dec 2005
    Posted: May 17th, 2012 at 12:15 am
    Wash your mouth out!!!

    VII was fun but the story made no sense to me. It's not one of my favorite FF's (IV, IX and X) and as far as gameplay goes it was tedious and the grind of all grinds.

    I think an anniversary edition is called for at this point; however I would also add that they should rerelease the entire Final Fantasy series as a collection for all consoles and not just for certain systems or certain games. Final Fantasy's 1-6 for download (or on a couple disc's) as a lead up to the anniversary edition of 7 with updated versions of 8 and 9 possible depending on profitablity...

    Yes. You hear that Mr. Nomura and by extension Square Enix. I will expect royalities should you move forward with the plan.
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: May 17th, 2012 at 12:41 am
    9 was amazing. Light years better than 7 and (though it took me many years to come to terms with it) even better than 6.

    FF9 had the superior story, gameplay, and character progression (the materia system sucked). The only thing FF7 has over 9 is the strength of the villain and, in the eyes of come people other than myself, the less cartoony style. 7 is still a great game but as far as legendary RPGs go it's vastly overrated.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: May 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    Imagine if FF7 came out for the Nintendo 64 (Ultra 64 at the time) like it was originally, we'd never even have this discussion.
  • rastputen
    rastputen

    Joined: Apr 2013
    Posted: Apr 11th, 2013 at 12:45 am
    i would like to see them remake ALL the old FF games. would be really nice if they combined a few into a collectors game, say... 1-4 then 5-8 then 9 through 10-2 or 12. those collector editions i would buy in a heartbeat, 100, Hell i would pay 150-200 each for a collectors sieres like that. and im disabled on a fixed income. LOL. im big into the old games. 12 was a great storyline, a very long and invoved game. they pushed the involvment too far though with the FF-13 series though... i dont mind reading a paragraph, hell ill read a page, of text EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but as we all know, the FF 13 series was not made for you to read occasionally. nope... u had to read, then read some more. etc... anyway, i would really like to see them remake 8 as well as 7.... thats assuming they only remake 1-2 games.... FF 8's storyline touched me in a way that normal people who grew up in unbroken homes can not understand. that game is unique in the character development, both

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