DAILY MANIFESTOEarly Hands-on With PvE In Star Wars: The Old RepublicPosted on Friday, April 29 @ 19:31:10 Eastern by Josh_Laddin
![]() Given my penchant for spending vastly unhealthy amounts of time with the world's most successful MMO, it didn't take too long after I started writing for GR to be known as "The WoW Guy". I don't mind that—it's richly deserved—but the interesting thing is how that one quality ended up in me covering almost every MMORPG under the sun, due to the rest of the staff's penchant for not spending vastly unhealthy amounts of time with such games. The kicker is that I'm really not a big MMO fan; WoW fan, yes, but I honestly don't have any interest in playing any other MMOs with any frequency. Except for Star Wars: The Old Republic, that is. This is the one new MMO that I would actually spend my own money on to play even if it weren't an assignment (although given Blake's tastes for big guns and roided-out space marines and Nick's tastes for... um, Asian things?... you can bet your ass it will be). So I knew I was in for a treat when I made the trip down to EA's Redwood Shores offices to spend some quality time with the two Sith classes on display—the Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agent. Chillin' with my homies on HuttaBoth classes share the starting world of Hutta, which you might guess is the dusty desert homeworld of those slimy Hutt gangsters. While they share the same general locales, the questing experience even at the earliest levels is highly diverse, each class getting its own distinct questlines with different overarching goals for both this world and the greater story beyond. The first thing I noticed was how unbelievably heavy SW:TOR is on quality voice acting. After years of playing WoW and clicking through thousands of pages of quest text from quest givers, it was simply astounding to me how much time and energy went into the quest conversations. Literally every quest in the game is offered through fully voiced conversations with NPCs. As you'd expect from a Bioware game, these conversations are consistently broken up by dialogue branches which can affect your light/dark side affinity and companion affection levels. Even the most basic quests give you five or six dialogue branches where you can choose from three possible responses—and both your character and the NPC have voice acting recorded for all possible choices. I quickly noticed as well just how immersive the story and quests are. Even though I was just a low-level scrub, I still felt extremely important and engaged in each quest I did. Unlike many other MMOs where there just seem to be tons of banal throwaway quests that ask you to kill ten wolves or collect seven sparkly doodads, all the quests in TOR felt like I was making progress toward my end goals. And even though there are "kill x amount of this, collect y amount of that" quests in the game, they all still seemed important to my character's story. ![]() A quick early example comes from one of the first quests in the game. Even though their intentions are very different, both classes start out by trying to get in Nem'ro the Hutt's good graces. A few hostile NPCs who work for a rival gangster litter the area around the starting cantina and you're tasked with killing a handful of them. Doing so isn't just for a simple XP and credit reward, though—it's a necessary step in getting on Nem'ro's radar and seeking an audience with him. From there the quests begin to diverge, but I'll get to the individual stories in a bit. Back to the immersion: TOR utilizes lots of phased rooms that are almost like mini-instances. Instead of walking through a portal into a full-fledged instance, phases are marked off with a light barrier, and once you cross it you'll be in your own little version of that room, with no loading times to pull you out of the experience. You're still the only player in the particular room (unless you invite some friends along, and they're eligible to enter), but the greater world outside is still hustling and bustling around you. Most phases are class-limited; for instance, once you're in Nem'ro's palace, the Bounty Hunter is assigned his or her own phased quarters which only a Bounty Hunter can enter, while the Imperial Agent has the same luxury one room over. I've heard some complaints floating around the interwebs about TOR's gameplay, and frankly I really don't know what these people are whining about and/or smoking. The game is still months away from release, without even an official release date, and already the gameplay is more polished than some MMO's I've seen at launch. It's very WoW-like, utilizing a default user interface that takes a page from many of the more successful UI mods out there. The game isn't devoid of bugs and problems by any stretch at this early stage (the animation and hit detection for some abilities is a bit off, the quest log could use an overhaul to give better direction, etc), but it was still eminently playable. After finishing the job on Hutta, which carries you through the first ten or so levels of the game, it's time to jet on over to the Imperial headquarters on Dromund Kaas with your first companion. I didn't have enough time to explore Dromund Kaas as much as I wanted to (that is, all of it), but one thing was clear: Your character's story continues in one epic arc through multiple worlds. Finishing Hutta didn't just end with a "mission accomplished" message and some loot. It only meant I had to continue the trail to a new world, where I would find more obstacles on the way to accomplishing the greater mission in a starkly different steamy, wet jungle environment.
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Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
So, if I may ask... you mentioned that there was a duplicate quest in both roles, were there many duplicate quests? Were there any quests that had different dialogue, but essentially sent you to the same exact part of the planet to kill the same exact mobs? How many quests are "Main story line" based, and how many are "side quest" based? Can you skip main story quests if you don't like them, and go to alternate planets?
I know you can't answer all those questions, but any answers would be greatly appreciated. ^^
salamandrew
Joined: Dec 2010
gonna steal rinnon's last sentence as well
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
@Rinnon: On Hutta, at least, it was about 50/50 for main story quests vs. side quests. I don't really know how much you can skip of the story quests, but I suspect that you have to at least clear your starting world to be able to start traveling to others, and at that point your options for leveling open up a lot more.
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
So here is the be all and end all question... would you pre-order it? I've pre-ordered MMOs I thought looked good in the past and got burned. Pre-ordered Aion (dumb thing to do), managed to avoid Rift (which turned out to be a good call) but I'm pretty certain I'm going to pre-order this one. Based on what you've seen, would you feel confident doing the same? Or if you were me, would you adopt a "wait and see the review" approach, or just go for it?
Kiristo
Joined: Oct 2008
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
Lethean
Joined: Jan 2001
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
It's worth mentioning that the only thing this game has in common with SWG is that it is set in the Star Wars universe. It is not made by the same people, nor is it attempting to enter the market in the same way SWG was, so there is no reason to think it will be any more like SWG than Rift or Aion was. SWG was released before WoW came out. But after WoW, the rest of the industry pretty much looked to WoW as what an MMO "Should" be. My understanding is that this game will be no different, except that it appears they are doing it well.
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
Lethean
Joined: Jan 2001
"SWG was released before WoW came out. But after WoW, the rest of the industry pretty much looked to WoW as what an MMO "Should" be. " I'm fully aware of that but there were some gems in SWG that even today are better than what's found in WoW or other MMOs such as the in depth player economy, housing and decor. I just figured that despite none of the same staff or company, since SWG was the first SW MMO they may look to SWG for inspiration and see there were things there that to this day are still unique and done better than in some other MMOs.
Rinnon
Joined: Nov 2005
That wasn't meant to be a shot at you, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
"I just figured that despite none of the same staff or company, since SWG was the first SW MMO they may look to SWG for inspiration and see there were things there that to this day are still unique and done better than in some other MMOs."
In some ways, I think that Bioware is actually trying to distance themselves from SWG. They don't want any of the baggage that would come with being considered "SWG2." So they seem to be avoiding using almost anything from that game. Which is a shame really, because you're right, there were a lot of things there that haven't been done better to this day. I'd have loved to see Player Cities especially...