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Kamiya's Replies To Kotaku Cross The Line

Posted on Friday, January 11 @ 08:24:00 Eastern by Heath_Hindman

In the ongoing Kamiya vs. Kotaku showdown, the well-known Platinum Games designer recently made a slight misstep in the handling of his offensive toward the game blog. When replying to certain Tweets, he has used variations of the line "クソ馬鹿ガイジン", or "damn stupid foreigners".


For a high-ranking member of a company speaking in a public forum, this is unacceptable. Some people, in Kamiya's defense, have pointed out that the Japanese word "gaijin," meaning "foreigner," is not offensive. And they are correct, it isn't. The word on its own has nowhere near the negative connotations associated with racial slurs we hear Statesideyou know the ones I'm talking about.

But the point Kamiya's internet defenders are missing is this: He's using the term in a way that sounds like a man's foreignness is grounds for disregarding something he said. There's much more to communication that the words used; context and climate are huge factors as well.


To say, "多くの外人毎年東京に行く" (every year, lots of foreigners go to Tokyo) is completely fine. But when a foreign person says something to you, even if it's totally ridiculous, saying "Damn stupid foreigners" is the kind of thing that places you right next to the dumbass asking the stupid question that got you so angry.

Imagine it another way. "Women" is by no means an offensive word, right? But acknowledge that in this world, men and women probably say, approximately, an equal amount of completely inane bullshit. Right? Right. So now imagine that several times in a row, females ask you, a male, a string of stupid questions (ladies, reverse the roles for this hypothetical; I'm a dude so I'm writing this as one). Is it okay for you to respond with "No! Fuck off! Gah, damn stupid women!"? Hell no it isn't. That's a dickhead response, right there, because even though it might not necessarily be true, and even though you might not have ill feelings towards all women, it looks like the reason for your dismissal of the question is the fact that it's being asked by a woman.

Similarly, while "foreigner" or "gaijin" isn't derogatory, it makes you look like a super tool when you use that way.



As a foreign national who lives and will one day die in Japan, I see this sort of thing all the time. One recent example relates to the nuclear power plant shutdowns that are happening across Japan in the wake of the 2011 tsunami. One problem, and suddenly, 80% of Japanese people (according to polls) want every single nuclear plant shut down, despite this area having few other options that would be as clean, as efficient, or affordable. (Well, geothermal is an option, but that would kill many of the country's bath houses, so whoa, whoa, that's off the table right away.)

This is kind of a knee-jerk reaction, based on little more than the emotions of the disaster, but what happens when I point that out? It's virtually a race to see who can be the first to point out that I wasn't born here and therefore my opinion is biased and invalid. The present tense doesn't matter, just the birth certificate and native language. Doesn't matter that I live and pay taxes here, doesn't matter that my kids will go to school here, doesn't matter that I have been to Iwate prefecture to clean up tsunami wreckage.

Is this attitude that of all Japan? No. Is xenophobia exclusive to Japan? Of course not. But the point remains that any foreigner living here will eventually see this very thing pop up: your thoughts will be labeled as invalid because you are foreign. That adds another layer to just how dumb Kamiya's comments are.

Kotaku may have made a bit of a blunder with its inflammatory headline, and Kamiya didn't do anything wrong in lashing out against such things. It's deflating, however, to see "Damn stupid foreigners" used as a go-to reply to non-Japanese people who happen to say dumb things. No matter how stupid a question or comment, a blowoff reply that brings the commenter's nationality, race, religion, social status, or gender into the mix is simply inappropriate.


Comments
  • majorcoxsore
    majorcoxsore

    Joined: Nov 2012
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 8:44 am
    Excellent article and a great point if view. It's sad how people's ideas will be dismissed for being a foreigner.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 9:26 am
    I'm going to give Kamiya a pardon, but only slightly. The original Tweet by ondgaku said "Since you're too much of a *****/coward to tell it to us directly, I'll translate: "[...] ****ing stupid idiot foreigners ;)". It pretty much dared Kamiya to tell him to f*** off and, given his badass streak, I believe he was using ondgaku's own comment against him rather than saying anything about foreigners. However, I agree with Heath that Kamiya shouldn't have fallen for the bait which put those words in his mouth, and he could have easily mustered a more mature response.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:23 am
    I give Kamiya a pardon only because I don't want our crusader against all things sensationalist to get dragged down like this, but I agree with Heath that this is the misstep that could invalidate his point. Everything so far has been true, but lambasting someone simply for "otherness" or "being of a foreign country" is a miss.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    Yeah, and I realize that comment(s) including the first were mockery, teasing, and not nice at all, but I still do think Kamiya crossed the line by falling for it, like you said.

    What makes me think so even more is that he has done it again and again and again; he's used this line and variations of it a LOT, meaning it's more than just a slip-up in the heat of the moment. We all say dumb stuff that we regret or doesn't reflect how we actually feel, but with his use of things like "dumb effing foreigner," it's happening repeatedly. That's where it gets especially uncool.
  • oblivion437
    oblivion437

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 7:08 am
    Apparently he'd been on the receiving end of harassment from 4chan members. Some of that harassment apparently included some beyond stupid remarks about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
    Yes, those were disgusting.
    They were also after the "Damn Stupid Foreigner" remarks. I feel that NEITHER one is justified, and the Hiroshima comments are way worse.
  • oblivion437
    oblivion437

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 7:32 am
    I got the timing wrong. Sorry.
  • MasterRabbi
    MasterRabbi

    Joined: May 2007
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:00 am
    This should be required reading to hold a humanity card. A perfect example of using context and how to avoid bigotry.
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:23 am
    The "Chapelle Show" image makes this article for me.
  • Sammo
    Sammo

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:09 am
    Hindman pulling the gaijin card
  • sandineyes
    sandineyes

    Joined: May 2008
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 11:12 am
    Probably has more to do with Twitter than anything. People change on the Internet. Still, that is pretty shameful, especially considering Kamiya's fame and influence. He should feel more responsibility to watch his language.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    I'm probably the only one that doesn't have a problem with this at all. It's a white guy telling a Japanese guy what Japanese people think of PC games. It kind of makes sense to call someone a stupid foreigner in this case, because they're being a ****ing stupid foreigner.

    Not disagreeing with you Heath, your article is still perfectly valid.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    I see that point, but again, if a Jewish person tells me something stupid "about myself" or says any type of nonsense, it is definitely not okay for me to say "How about this? Shut up you stupid f***ing Jew!"

    He is a Jew and he is saying dumb things, and "Jew" is not a hateful slur, but in that context, bringing his religion into it is out of bounds.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    I think that's a bit different, as if you want to directly compare the two examples you wouldn't be calling him a Jew (much in the same way Kamiya didn't say "stupid ****ing American" or "stupid ****ing Jamaican", what have you) and also the Jewish person in question wouldn't just be saying something about you, but saying something about the way you view your own religion.

    I'm not saying it's totally cool to go around calling people stupid ****ing foreigners, just saying it doesn't really bother me in this situation.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
    I don't see how it's different, really.
    It doesn't matter what the Jewish person said, when the rebuttal *brings up* things about the other person, that are different from you (the speaker), they'd better be relevant to your point, else the whole matter is way out of line. What you're seeing as different is that you're used to "stupid" and "Jew" being derogatory together, but since people don't like Kotaku, it's altering the way people see the situation.

    "It's all okay or none of it's okay" is kind of how I feel.
    I don't say "Ugh, stupid freaking Japanese people" when locals here do or say stupid things (which happens just as often as it would in any other country) because their nationality has nothing to do with their stupidity -- be they speaking about any topic.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 1:25 am
    In this case though the person's religion (or nationality) does relate to the subject at hand though. It's not the fact that they are a specific religion or nationality, it's the fact that they AREN'T a specific religion or nationality, in these cases (insert person A's religion here) or Japanese. If a person isn't a part of that group and they're trying to tell someone the way that group sees things, then that part person's religion or nationality does become relevant.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 1:31 am
    Also I just realized perhaps we are reading his comments differently. I didn't interpret him as saying foreigners are stupid, I interpreted it as him saying these specific people are stupid and shouldn't be extrapolating on Japanese viewpoints as people who don't dwell in Japan or hold a stake in their culture.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 1:57 am
    He literally said "Damn stupid foreigners." Those were his words.

    "Kuso" for damn, "Baka" for stupid, and "Gaijin" for foreigners. That's a pretty direct shot. It doesn't matter if the criticism is about a part of Japanese culture from outside Japan, as two wrongs don't make a right. If he wants to say "Your perspective is biased because you live outside Japan" well maybe that's fine, or if he wants to say "You are a total a**hole shut the f*** up, that's fine too. But to say "Damn stupid foreigners" as your reply? That IS the same thing as what I'm demonstrating above. It IS out of bounds and takes things down a level.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 2:56 am
    I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. I don't really think the wording of a phrase is really what makes it offensive. And maybe you're right, maybe he genuinely thinks less of all people who aren't Japanese, in which case that's pretty shitty, but that's simply not what it sounds like to me in the context of the situation.

    Anyway, that was a good civil discussion in my opinion, far better than anything I'd expect to have over the internet hahaha, and as I said I think the article is great.
  • Sebastian_Moss
    Sebastian_Moss

    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posted: Jan 11th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    Probably some kinda psychological problem could be inferred from the fact that I misread the main image as "We are all alone"...
  • KoalaRainbowPoop
    KoalaRainbowPoop

    Joined: Feb 2009
    Posted: Jan 12th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
    you know what? this article is stupid. really it is. just another game journalist trying to get in on something popular and contraversial just to get name recognition. god damnit, why am i even replying? this place died when duke left.

    you are a idiot heath. koutaku is the national esquire of video game journalism. kamyia is one of the few good game developers left. you don't know anything about journalism, and i should know since i have no idea about journalism. but i still know more about it than you.

    (now you know how it feels)

    p.s.

    nice article
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 1:19 am
    Re: "you are a idiot heath."

    You chose a rather unfortunate sentence upon which to stumble....

    My sympathies.
  • oblivion437
    oblivion437

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 7:36 am
    I like the sustained sarcasm Koala used.
  • omnimodis78
    omnimodis78

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 11:49 am
    I think when you live in Japan, and are not Japanese, then yes, of course you are a foreigner, and you paying taxes and taking part in cleaning up after a disaster doesn't qualify you to be regarded as Japanese - the Japanese also pay taxes and they also helped (and help) with putting things back to normal after disasters, so why do you bring that up in a way that suggests that you've earned some special treatment. Of course a Japanese person has the prerogative to look at you and label you - you are, after-all, in THEIR country. You want to be a non-foreigner, go back (or come back?) to where you belong, otherwise, just accept your lot.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    Never did I suggest that I deserve any special treatment. I merely pointed out that I do the things necessary of a permanent resident, and do things for the country even most natives have *not* done (the cleanup).

    I didn't ask them to accept me as Japanese, I asked them to accept valid statement instead of disregarding them because I white person said them.

    Question: do you feel the same about legal immigrants to your country (wherever that is)?
    When someone born outside your country -- who is now a citizen of your country -- says something like "I think assault rifles should be more strictly regulated" or something similar, do you say "Oh jeez, thanks but no thanks, you foreigner."?

    Because I mean, by what you said above, you should. So I'm asking: do you?
  • oblivion437
    oblivion437

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jan 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
    I might say that to Gary Whitta just to spit in his metaphorical coffee. The dude's one of those self-absorbed amateur law scholars on par with Roger Ebert or Michael Moore. None of them should be allowed to wield a legal opinion without the protection of a crash helmet and oven mitts to prevent injury. But in practice I wouldn't do that. I'll just point him to the portions of the constitution that he's gleefully ignoring in suggesting such a thing and his hypocrisy for opposing other similarly extraconstitutional powers for the federal government. Ironically, Whitta comes from a country which still has standing monuments dedicated to celebrating one of its mass murderers (Oliver Cromwell) so there's more parallels at work here than we'd think...

    This whole conversation is bizarre to me.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    I also never once indicated that i am not a foreigner. This article isn't even about me, I just used my own situation as an example of having your comments written off because of your birth certificate.

    I know I'm a foreigner. But "Kuso baka na gaijin" is a pretty rude phrase. To say "You damn stupid foreigner" isn't okay, just as me saying "You damn stupid woman" to a lady isn't okay.

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