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On Switching From Letter Grades to Five Stars

Posted on Wednesday, January 4 @ 06:14:38 Eastern by

After much deliberation and mental toil, Game Revolution will be changing its letter grade scale to a five-star scale with half-star increments. We know that letter grades are one of our iconically beloved idiosyncracies, and most changes are always initially met with disapproval, but there are many reasons why the five-star scale makes more sense and is much more practical today.

First and foremost, switching to a five-star scale allows Game Revolution to control how our grades are interpreted. Occasionally, our letter grades are taken out of context and must be explained, to our detriment, and yes, I'm intentionally keeping the whos and the whats vague. Suffice it to say, the letter-grade system prevents us from, among other things, receiving titles and ensuring that our voice is not misunderstood nor misused.

Letter grades, bluntly, don't come off as a professional system and correlates to, well, school. I mean, the last time I took letter grades seriously was in college and the last thing I want to think about when I play a video game is my GPA (unless we're talking about Dance Dance Revolution). Still, the five-star scale is more recognized not only internationally, but also as a critical scale, as it is used in review for other widely accepted artforms like music, food, movies, and literature. It's about time video games be included in that circle.

And really, we're still going to be as critical as we were before. An A = 5 stars, A- = 4.5 stars, B+ = 4 stars, and so on until an F = 0 stars. The D and D- must share the half-star grade, but apart from that, the letter grades and the star grades have a one-to-one correspondence. In other words, the change is essentially cosmetic. We're still the honest assholes folks you've grown to love. Besides, we've got a star in our logo, so it fits.

Oh, and if you're worried about the prospect of never having any game ever receiving the fabled A+, calm thyself. We would remedy soon with a what-if feature soon. And on that subject, what game would you give an A+, eh?


Comments
  • Guernica
    Guernica

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am
    Now you can add user scores as well and show an average user score. I guess this could have been done before too but the stars made me think of it.
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 8:59 am
    Great suggestion, we'll make this happen. Also, I'm thrilled to see everyone being positive about this, thus far. I for one was a little skeptical about making the change, despite all of us agreeing that this is the right thing to do for GR. Thank you all for understanding that our only goal is to make GR the best it can be, and we'll do anything we can to reach that goal.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 8:53 am
    Bravo Nick, I've been waiting for this change for more than a decade.

    Down here, we use a 20 point scale, and although I woudn't suggest you do that because you may be unfamiliar with it, I think using a 10 point/star scale could be better than a 5 stars.

    Why?
    A+,A,A-,B+,B,B-,C+,C,C-,D,D-,F=12 degrees.

    Although both systems would have 10 degree scales (putting half-stars in yours) having the system based on whole numbers may be more understandable and friendly for the ones who put the grade and the ones who read them. Also you wouldn't have to cut the nice GR star in half.

    And for the "A+" matter, just imagine having it replaced by ten GR stars. I say "imagine" because, you know, A+ games don't exist.
  • thedarkstar
    thedarkstar

    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 9:38 am
    I have absolutely no issue with this. Are you still going to do the list of plus and minuses at the end? I think that is a great way to end the reviews, as it sums everything just read quite nicely.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Yes, the report card pros and cons will remain intact. Indeed, they summarize the review nicely.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 10:22 am
    This is the best idea I have ever heard. I have always thought a 5 star scale works best for reviewing any medium, whether it's music, movies, video games, etc. It's nearly universally understood and simple. I think it should be the standard across the board so at a glance you can compare what other sites have rated a game so you don't have to figure out everyone's rating system to compare scores. And now you guys are leading the way. Fuck yeah.
  • TheDiesel
    TheDiesel

    Joined: May 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 10:32 am
    Interesting. I'll miss the old Letter Grades but I won't be mad at the 5-Star scale. :)
  • Stickyellowsock
    Stickyellowsock

    Joined: Oct 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    First we lose Duke. Now we lose the Alphabet!!! What is next you gonna start reviewing Japanese game shows?
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    Honto ni honto?
  • Demosthenes
    Demosthenes

    Joined: Aug 2006
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:23 am
    I don't have a major gripe about it. The only thing I would say is that 5 Stars to me means the same thing as an A+, not an A. I see 5 Stars, I think the claim being made is that it's the best it could possibly ever be. So in that sense, I still think letter grades allow for a much more detailed and expressive rating. But at the end of the day, I know the reviews will retain the same quality irregardless of what point system you're using.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    an A already means it's the best since A+ is not given out
  • CavesLemon
    CavesLemon

    Joined: Dec 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    I do not like this, but I am unable to articulate why.
  • CavesLemon
    CavesLemon

    Joined: Dec 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    I think I figured it out. GR has never given a game the unattainable A+, and rightly so. I have never played a perfect game. I can see GR giving away 5 stars much easier, simply because a 4.5 doesn't sound as good as an A.
  • CavesLemon
    CavesLemon

    Joined: Dec 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    And a 5 star is going to be perceived as a perfect game, even though it's technically not.
  • CavesLemon
    CavesLemon

    Joined: Dec 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    Also lets think hypothetically, what is that perfect games does come out. Is this perfect game going to get a 5.5 or a 6 or a 5+?
  • CavesLemon
    CavesLemon

    Joined: Dec 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
    I should really read the entire article before I rattle off. Most of complaints are addressed....but I still don't like it!
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Jan 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
    It will get 5 stars. There's nothing wrong with one 5 star game being a bit better or worse than another; two 5 star games don't have to be the EXACT same in quality. In fact, it eliminates some of the worthless nitpicking and whining over a game getting a 95 instead of a 96 that people seem to obsess over these days. Two amazing games should both get 5 stars indicating they are amazing and let that be the end of it.
  • Masterwabbit
    Masterwabbit

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
    Oh no, change in the beginning of a new year? Whoever thought such an atrocity would occur!

  • Longo_2_guns
    Longo_2_guns

    Joined: Jun 2003
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    I too do not like it, but I am able to articulate why.

    The reason why the letter grade system was so powerful was because it was something that everyone knows perfectly. An A was excellent, almost perfect. A B- is above average, but only barely. The problem with stars is that the interpretation of the meaning of the stars varies so damn much from person to person. 3 stars just feels so much worse than a B-. But that's not the worst part.

    The reason you made the shift was because professional sites oft falsely interpret the meaning of the grades, right? A B is taken as an 80 and so on. Here's the thing, this will ONLY get worse. Lets say a game comes out and it's above average, deserves a B-. So thus you'd correlate it and give it a 3 star grade. What that will be taken as is not an 80, but a 60. On Metacritic, a 60 is considered BELOW average, not above average. This means you'll HAVE to start either inflating your grades or get an even lower average, neither of which would be good.
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    It has a lot less to do with other "sites" than you think. That's why we didn't want to mention it. Above all, this is the right move for the site, regardless of who it pisses off and who it makes happy.
  • Longo_2_guns
    Longo_2_guns

    Joined: Jun 2003
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    That's just what I figured from reading the little thing. Though I think I get your meaning. I'm curious to see how it'll go, either way.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    A B- was already being misconstrued as much lower than 80. :-/
  • Lien
    Lien

    Joined: Feb 2008
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    And let the record show that the last letter review of the site was Fishing Resort... Should we do a gun salute?
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Yeah but make sure you're actually aiming at Fishing Resort.
  • usaglory
    usaglory

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    I can't say I'm thrilled about this change. I feel you're gonna lose a part of what makes GR, well GR. A 5-star system makes me think Gamepro. A ten point scale makes me think IGN. Having said that I partially agree with Bras, a 10 point scale would be much better, but with half increments which, well, would just make it exactly like IGN's.
    I think Longo_2_Guns is right on the money with his second paragraph expo. I just don't know, it doesn't sound that great, you are tampering with the essence of the site. A letter grade with the report card's pros and cons is what makes your grading system unique, although I can understand your reasoning on why it is the "right move for the site", specially the bit about you guys not getting titles to review because your grades are misunderstood. One last thing, the fact that D and D- must share a grade shows the system is flawed from the get-go.
  • TurinAlexander
    TurinAlexander

    Joined: Sep 2006
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
    I'll promise not to complain about the new rating format as long as you finally follow through with the promised black background.
  • J03
    J03

    Joined: Aug 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    Like all things new, it will just take time to adjust.

    It might be good to put the numerical value under the stars. I have a colorblind friend who would have trouble telling the difference on other sites sometimes.

    Also for the whole A+ thing. You good go lazy and just give it a *****+ rating o
  • J03
    J03

    Joined: Aug 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
    Or just add a GR stamp as a 6th star. It will never come up but having a specific spot for that allusive A+ would give hope like it always has.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
    Shit! Now I have to go to my blogspot and change it from "Based on the GameRevolution.com grading scale" to "Based on the classic GameRevolution.com grading scale." I had a feeling the grading system would change eventually. Most of GR has changed hence the word "Revolution."
  • sliverstorm
    sliverstorm

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    I think this change would have been a huge bother had you not explicitly stated that you'll keep the same meaning behind your grades. I've probably read literally hundreds of reviews, and I've become very attuned to the differences between each letter grade. The fact that you'll be keeping the same 'scale' means I don't need to re-learn anything--one set of symbols for another set is fine by me.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    When we're editing in reviews, the backend actually says both types grading. In the lead up to this change it had letters with (Stars) in parentheses and now it has Stars with (Letters) in parentheses.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    I give this move 4 1/2 stars.
  • MarkyBee
    MarkyBee

    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posted: Jan 5th, 2012 at 3:54 am
    It's good you're taking the time to blog about the change in advance and explaining it in your own words it makes perfect sense to me - bring on the star rating system! Maybe a new community rating system would open the door to more user reviews? Or single paragraph reviews/feedback like the recommendation system found on Steam.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jan 5th, 2012 at 4:49 am
    Whoops. Accidentally deleted friggest's comment, meant to reply to it... here's his comment:

    "I enjoyed the letter system. You graded the game more like an essay or paper. It made GR different than the other sites. You've never given a game an A+. The new system isnt formatted well enough to easily read. My vote is go back to the letter system. Its classic, like GR. Everyone knows suits are more difficult to wear, but that what makes one stand out over the jeans & t-shirt crowd."
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jan 5th, 2012 at 4:53 am
    Just to let everyone know, we aren't the only site that gives out letter grades: Gaming Age, Gaming Nexus, Gameshark, 1UP, and UGO. Certainly, about double that number of sites use the five-star system.
  • hak32001
    hak32001

    Joined: May 2010
    Posted: Feb 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
    but you were the only site that we cared about that gave letter grades
  • Barth_Vader
    Barth_Vader

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Jan 13th, 2012 at 1:32 am
    what a stupid move, those reports card reviews were the reason i came to this site almost 15 years ago

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