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Sony Will Compete With Valve, Not Microsoft, Next Generation

Posted on Saturday, February 23 @ 11:04:00 Eastern by Jonathan_Leack

In this corner weighing at 8GB of GDDR5…

Watching the PlayStation 4 reveal I was surprised, despite trying not to be, at the specs for Sony's next console. The eight-core AMD CPU was anticipated, but opting for 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU comparable to the GeForce 660/660ti is something the PC gamer inside of me couldn't help but be excited about. My astonishment soon turned into curiosity once I thought about how Microsoft's Durango (code name for next-gen Xbox) is clearly not aiming for the same demographic.

First and foremost, the PlayStation 4's specs triumph the Durango's in every way possible. Based on the rumors—which appear to be spot-on—Microsoft has opted for DDR3 memory as opposed to the PlayStation 4's unified GDDR5 memory. For game developers this is a huge difference that will have visual consequences, and will necessarily dampen the quality of multiplatform titles on Microsoft’s next system. Similarly, the Durango's GPU is a huge jump from last generation but is expected to produce roughly 15 – 30% fewer teraflops than what the PlayStation 4's solution. In the current climate where consumers are expecting a huge leap in graphics, every horsepower counts.

Most importantly, the Durango is presumed to have an even more advanced version of Kinect built-in. Such a move indicates that Microsoft wants to make its motion and voice command capabilities a major feature of the next console. We’ve already seen integration with its core titles such as Forza Motorsport and Mass Effect, and it doesn’t appear to be ending there. The company has shown an affection for such technologies with its PC division, and that has flooded over to the console arena as well.

Microsoft appears to be going a completely different route than last generation with multi-tasking, motion controls, and applications being the staple features of its upcoming hardware. It is also likely to be sold at a reasonable price point that could be anywhere from $99 - $199 less than the PlayStation 4. The mixture of its moderate specs, thorough integration of Kinect technology, and affordable price point make it more of a competitor for Nintendo than Sony.

Which leads me to my main point: Microsoft and Sony are not going head-to-head next-generation. Sony has made it abundantly clear that it's interested in games, games, and… uh… games—and heck, throw developers in there, too. Its powerful, PC gamer-approved specs and standard design make it an enticing purchase for gamers and techies alike. Meanwhile, Microsoft is trying to make a multimedia device that fits into the living room of American families. That's not to say that it won't be good at playing Call of Duty and other titles, but we’ve seen what happens when one system has even a minor advantage in multiplatform titles and graphics.

After this realization you'd think that Sony has a free-ride next-generation, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Valve is getting ready to debut its Steam Box this year and it’s going to have potent PC specs as well. It’s directed at the same customers that Sony is after, the people who stay up all Saturday night trying to clear the next dungeon of Dark Souls, and have had discussions with their friends about who G-Man (Half-Life) really is. It’s a direct competitor to Sony, and one that shouldn’t be underestimated.

After such a rollercoaster ride this generation it’ll be nice to see something new, and you can bet that the next few years will be unlike anything we’ve ever seen before. Nintendo is struggling to give the Wii U legs going into the future but has tons of exclusives to debut at E3, while Microsoft has a console ready to announce that wants to kick Nintendo out of the living room. In stark contrast, Sony has what appears to be the perfect gaming machine set to debut later this year, but fan-favorite Valve wants a piece of the same pie. Who will be victorious? It’s impossible to tell at this point. The best you can do is sit back and enjoy the spectacle. 
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  • pavlos
    pavlos

    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:15 am
    Nice piece , I like that you've made the whole graphic tech performance thing simple and easy to understand, especially for us common folk.
    I think it's going to be an awesome year for the industry, and finally, in my opinion, the consumer is going to be at the premise of the upcoming 'war'. Can't wait to see these brand new sexy boxes go head to head in the near future,,,
  • GRTroll
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    Joined: Jan 2013
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Welp, looks like my job here has already been done. Back to my cave I go!
  • sliverstorm
    sliverstorm

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am
    I laughed.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am
    He's back. stealth2k the troll from Nick's review of Ni-No-Kuni.

    gamerevolution.com/review/ni-no-kuni-wrat​h-of-the-white-witch
  • THEundying27
    THEundying27

    Joined: Sep 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am
    I'm tempted to respond to you but I'm about to have in n out burger so your not worth my time. Lol :)
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    Enjoy your lunch. Boy a big juicy sounds good.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 9:43 am
    Oops I meant to give you a thumbs up.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Oops I meant to give you a thumbs up.
  • Paulmichael
    Paulmichael

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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    Oops I GAVE BOTH OF YOU a thumbs up. :)
  • Nether
    Nether

    Joined: Jul 2007
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    Where do you buy your troll food at?
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    ROFL Yeah, he has to buy it online, and get it delivered to his "mommy's" basement.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    The troll store, duhhhhhh
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Gee, duh, mr. genius if you never stop by, why are you here?
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    Is there no IP ban for stupid motherfvckers like stealth? I don't even care that he's trolling. I care that he's double and triple posting everything he types.

    F5 is NOT your friend.
  • reiandcoke
    reiandcoke

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    I think it happens when you post and then refresh the page. Whatever it is, it's happened to me a few times too.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    It's the broken refresh system. Don't refresh your browser after you make a post without going back to the main page first.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    The banhammer is winding up. I love all the thumbs down he's getting.
  • LawnGnome
    LawnGnome

    Joined: Apr 2007
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    We still don't know enough about either console to make accurate comparisons. Teraflops mean very little without taking into consideration things like memory bandwidth, core speed, and memory speed. Also, 8GB GDDR5 isn't going to mean much if it does turn out to be an APU instead of a dedicated GPU with even GDDR3. Even just going off of the current rumored specs, I'd go so far as to say that they are at least going to be equal in hardware gaming power with the real possibility that the 720 is going to be slightly more powerful than the PS4. Don't see where you're coming up with the conclusions in this article.
  • elmoreoocyte
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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    This is a pretty awesome trollin' getup.

    s498.beta.photobucket. com/user/Stealth2k/media/ waylon.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    You shall see.
  • LinksOcarina
    LinksOcarina

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    Instead of competing, why don't they join forces and be done with it.

    After all, were getting close to the day where consoles will be computers as it is. Valve may make an impact but we don't know, and Sony is already looking to cater to that market as well.
  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Because it's about money. Why should the big 3 team up if it means they have to share profits?
  • LinksOcarina
    LinksOcarina

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    And Valve is in the big three now?
  • wildmario
    wildmario

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    I wasn't including Valve
  • LinksOcarina
    LinksOcarina

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    And I wasn't including microsoft or nintendo. If you want clarification, I am talking about Valve and Sony.
  • Nether
    Nether

    Joined: Jul 2007
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    I still say Valve will make HL3 steambox exclusive to sell systems.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    Steam-exclusive I think. I can't imagine them cutting off their arms and legs by not selling to people with Steam installed on their PCs.
  • Sourdeez
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    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    Thank you. Ive been trying to make people see how amazing it will be if valve only sold their new games for pc and steambox first. That mixed with steam sales and they will have a huge chunk of the PC market and console market.
  • Nether
    Nether

    Joined: Jul 2007
    Posted: Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    Thats what i meant, steam exclusive, and ill still buy it lol
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    Sorry, my bad on the confusion there. I probably should have figured that out.
  • oblivion437
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    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    On the surface of your comments it seems like Microsoft is committing the exact blunder Sony did for the seventh generation. That's by equal measures hilarious and sad.
  • DestryLP
    DestryLP

    Joined: Feb 2013
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    GDDR5 and DDR3 are completely different things. Example: I have a Asus G74SX with 3GB of GDDR5 and 12GB of DD3 1333Mhz RAM. To based something of that is completely invalid, the "PC Gamer" inside you should have at least known that.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    I live and breathe PC hardware
  • Bras
    Bras

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 pm
    You got an internet point for pointing that out with your... hmmm... pointed device.
  • HorriblePerson
    HorriblePerson

    Joined: Sep 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    If what you're saying turns out to be true, then my choice for a next-gen console will be made that much easier.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Because of all the things within his vast wealth of knowledge, the definition of "never" can't be found.
  • stalepie
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    Joined: Feb 2013
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    Not right off the bat, but maybe down the line, is it crazy to think there could be a little Steam/Playstation cross over happening? They had Blizzard at the conference and he didn't even seem eager to show Diablo III besides the logo, suggesting it was more about what it symbolized for Blizzard to be working on consoles - he started talking about how their company started that way.

    I know there's a lot of code that's specific to the Windows environment for each and every game.
  • stalepie
    stalepie

    Joined: Feb 2013
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    I mean, let me clarify further: what about this... you buy a game on Steam and you can play the PS version by downloading it off PSN -- it checks your Steam account after you log into it and tie it (sync it) thru PSN & Steam. You'd then have to download the PS version and it probably won't look as good as the latest PC specced version of course. A bit of crossover there, crossplay.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
    It isn't crazy. What with the Portal 2 support and steam integration on PS3. If the PS4 is faster and more capable, I don't see why Valve and Sony couldn't benefit from a mutual partnership.
  • moretokes
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    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    Valve would probably have to deal with Sony if partner. I canT imagine either company wanting to have to deal with each other's visions
  • Jobin_Wendy
    Jobin_Wendy

    Joined: Mar 2012
    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
    It would be like Pixar trying to work with Quentin Tarantino to make a fun family adventure.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    I think we should wait for everything to be revealed for all consoles before we worry about comparing them. I find speculation pointless since its all guessing and assumptions.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    You'll see. I have more intuition than the average bear.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    Well if you're right I might be buying a Playstation for the first time in my life.
  • PineappleUltra
    PineappleUltra

    Joined: Jan 2013
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    Yeah PS4 all the way, that presentation totally hyped me up as well. It does look more and more like Microsoft is targeting the casual crowd like the Wii U kinda does. Even so, based on the rumors, Nintendo will kick Microsoft's ass too. With an always online connection, charging for Xbox live, and blocked used games, who is gonna pay 300-400 dollars for that? It will be the end of them if they follow through on it.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:02 pm
    I expect Microsoft NOT to block used games, now that the PS4 doesn't.
  • PeeDeeJay
    PeeDeeJay

    Joined: Oct 2011
    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    If the next Xbox is really going to put the main focus on Kinect, Ill most likely be purchasing a PS4 instead, regardless of price difference. Next gen consoles get me so excited!
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:05 pm
    I hate the kinect. I'm with you.
  • Lenin17301
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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    I have 0% hope of the Steam Box having any kind of impact outside of US, it will struggle even IN the US, so unless Microsoft REALLY screws up the Xbox 720, the rest of the world still be between purchasing Wii U or the Xbox, with Sony in third place. The Steam Box is a pipe dream, at least outside the United States.
  • Zajix
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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    It would honestly take quite a lot for me to even consider a steam box, though my knowledge of it is next to nothing. Ill still buy a 720 and a ps4 either on their launch day or shorty after unless one them is in the $500-$600 dollar range.
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    I don't blame you. Pattern recognition clearly isn't your strong point.

    Fortunately, no one's expectations of you are that high.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:18 am
    Ouch. Burn. You have a sharp wit Heath. (not sarcasm or spam)
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 pm
    You need to update your avatar to the new Jaguars logo.
  • Zajix
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    Posted: Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
    I sure do! I actually really like the new logo!
  • Mobius_Sean
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:49 am
    Owning everything but the Wii U, atm, and seeing the path everything took last generation I can't put a whole lot of stock in tech specs. Yeah, my i7 GTX 670 Desktop with 8G of DDR 3 1600 memory, and other numbers as well, could run anything my PS3 or 360 can better, prettier and more... erm, -er. However, with the exception of PC exclusive software, (Most RTS series, DCS flight simulators, etc,) the games are built to run on the least powerful platform. There's not a whole lot done to really push for the next tier on multi-platform releases.

    Exclusives MIGHT make the difference, but they didn't last generation. Talking about knockout punches in the current climate is just fanboy bait. It reminds me of people I know saying after 50 years Camaro will knock out Mustang, or the EVO will crush the STi, or Honda's Si Civic will drive any other fwd sport compact off market. The console brands have nested markets, and PC is too capable of things consoles can't dream of for it to fade.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    I also own every console at the moment and looking at the lot of them, I agree. It has nothing to do with tech specs. I think the real "hardcore" gamer goes where the software is, regardless of specs, cost, platform, brand, etc.

    Do you think Microsoft and Sony will stick pretty close together in terms of hardware power or do you think Microsoft will come out under or above what Sony's detailed so far?
  • HorriblePerson
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    I completely agree with you, Daniel. I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I am still discovering gems from the PS1 and PS2 eras today. I don't mean playing them for the nostalgia appeal, I mean experiencing them for the very first time. It's all about the software.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    That was me with the Persona series. I mean P4G is "new" but it's also a game originally released in 2008. P3Portable was a PSP port of a game from 2006 but I played the hell out of it when I first bought my Vita.
  • Mobius_Sean
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
    Really can't say as to MS's new console's power since rumors have been long and hard facts short. Sony would appear to be targeting the bleeding edge again like last generation, which is exciting, and I wouldn't be surprised to see MS go with something more conservative again. That gives them some flexibility on pricing. I bought the 360 first, wanted the PS3 from launch date, but that original MSRP was horrifying. I ended up having to wait until the slim came out. Survived 2 RRoDs with my original mighty whitey 360, bought the slim because of the better reliability. All ended up a wash in the end.

    And you're dead right about the software. I play everything and can find value in almost any title. That's what always bites me on exclusives. I loved Gears and Uncharted, so I did what I had to.

    Also, I dunno how "hardcore" I am. I'm an aerospace engineering student so I've been neglecting Crysis 3 for the Kerbal Space Program alpha on my rig this week.
  • bzlom
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    This article is just speculation. It might happen or it won't.
    Of course in case you know something that the general public doesn't - the article might have credibility.

    P.S. Even Nostradamus prophecies were sometimes fulfilled.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    2012 was a horrible year for prophecies tho.
  • JerryW
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    Not too thrilled about more Kinect... Hope this ends up being optional.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Posted: Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    Oh god, if it's not optional, I'm not buying an Xbox. I hate all that sh** under my TV... and I never use it anyway.
  • Nether
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    Posted: Mar 2nd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    I will send you 20$ in the mail if the next xbox doesnt require kinect.
  • danielrbischoff
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    Posted: Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:40 pm
    haha, sure thing :P
  • JerryW
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    Posted: Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    It was cool for about 4 hours and then we got depressed about how much we spent for it...
  • pennpsu
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    Posted: Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    I think if the new XBOX's flux capacitors can generate 1.21 jigawatts, then they can probably travel back in time far enough to create a stainless steel version of the original XBOX that can out-tera-flop the competition. And we all get hoverboards.
  • pennpsu
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    Posted: Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    I think if the new XBOX's flux capacitors can generate 1.21 jigawatts, then they can probably travel back in time far enough to create a stainless steel version of the original XBOX that can out-tera-flop the competition. And we all get hoverboards.
  • omega711
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    Posted: Feb 26th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    for one, it doesn't need to be backwards compatible, because of the cloud which will have ps1,2,3 emulators. not to mention they're claiming all the games they've shown are going to be available at launch. yea real fan boy post. your comment sounds ignorant ;-D
  • kmoney4u4
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    Posted: Mar 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    Steam box has major potential only thing they need is EA's good exclusives like battlefield and Need for speed.I will probably buy all systems this year including project shield including more parts for my supercomputer running battlefield waiting in line for the GTX 790
  • kmoney4u4
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    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:11 am
    Steam box has major potential only thing they need is EA's good exclusives like battlefield and Need for speed.I will probably buy all systems this year including project shield including more parts for my supercomputer running battlefield waiting in line for the GTX 790

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