2K Announces Borderlands 2 Season Pass

Is the mechromancer only available for pre-order? I'd give them an interest free loan for an exclusive class if it saves me from paying additional for the cool class.

I absolutely hate things like "season pass" or "subscription" based services, specially for games that have the dlc already waiting before launch.

A example of two different services is MW3 vs BF3. In mw3 you pay a reoccurring subscription. in BF3 you pay once(Which is the acceptable path, its dlcs are being worked on. Only issue I have is you are paying for all dlcs again even if you already bought back to karhkand or got it free with your limited edition)

Now as for Borderlands I just recently finished borderlands 1 and all the dlc's and if I hadn't had borrowed it form my friend I would have demanded a refund or a tradein. Those dlcs definitively were not worth the money and I feel like gaming companys have screwed the pouch so much recently with dlc's(or quality of full games) that most companys cant be trusted until after amazing reviews from there product are out. They are moving to "Pay US no matter what, No resales,locked Multiplayer keys, we want every single $ ".

But why do you think these companies are doing this? Because they are evil? No. It's because of the used game market. They don't get anything off those sales. Let's be honest, if you ask the average game, "Would you like to pay full retail price for a brand spanking new game, or a discounted price for a slightly used game", they are going to go for option 2. We see that, see how big that used game market is. The DLC and pre-order bonus phenomenon is a response to that. It's trying to get money back to the studios who actually make the game and not the middle man. Does it suck that they have content that they COULD put in the original game? Yes, but then again, why front load the disc with all this amazing content if it doesn't dissuade the average gamer from buying it used a few weeks after it comes out? We can complain all we want, but in the end, it's about the money.

Until they can prove quality again in the games they wont see money from me. This is about how much quality of a game it is for the amount you pay for and recently the gaming industry has turned into low quality rip offs. If I find out a game is good or innovative(Betas and demos count in my decisions as well) then I will support it but only after I am for sure. For to long the gaming industry has been pushing out mediocre games while raising prices. Alot of gamers are no longer listening to hype and now are trying to make intelligent decision in how they use the power of money.

p.s. I kinda like the business model of minecraft but im not sure how well it could fund a larger production game.

This whole "Used Game Sales" is driving DLC argument is not only old, it's completely untrue. Do some research, do some actual research, don't just read some bloggers opinion on the subject. The sale of used games doesn't hurt the market, it never has and it never will.

I am sure used games have some impact. What hurts is gamers dropping $55 for a used copy of a game that's $60 new. Cheap bastards. What needs to happen is price points need to start moving away from the arbitrary $60 range, and start reflecting game cost and quality. $75 for ME3?.....maybe. $75 for some crappy Kinect title.....hell no.

Thanks for providing your own research to your unvalidated opinion.

What? You don't even know what you're talking about.

BF3 Premium and Elite are nearly the same thing. Except (I think) Elite costs more.
$60 and you get all the DLC, plus other "Pro" features. BF3 Premium, you pay whatever the price is, and you get all the DLC.

Hmm. Big difference? not.

Aaand my interest is gone...

...and this is why I'm waiting for the inevitable GoTY edition.

Agreed, I did it with Borderlands so I'll do it with the sequel

I was kind of interested in Borderlands 2, but reading this just really killed my interest in it. I'm really sick of the "season pass" and have pretty much told myself I'm not paying half the price of the game to get discounts or free dlc, since most of the dlc lately is kind of ehh. I am really enjoying the first though, probably because I got the game and dlc for 15 buck during a psn sale.

I originally I had this big long post about how it is stupid to complain about this practice, because except in very few circumstances, I even cited some examples. Then I realized I don't care anymore about arguing with people over pointless ****.

I just want Borderlands 2, I don't care about ethics, morality, Day One DLC, On-Disc DLC or anything like that.

"except in very few circumstances, it isn't true." I really need to learn to proof-read my own posts, I type like a monkey humping a keyboard.

To be honest, I HATE DLC, and agree with Sara... At the same time, I spent so much time playing Borderlands with all it's DLC that it's almost worth $100.00, which mind, you is less than paying for COD Elite of BF3 Premium.

Borderlands 1 had a dry and vary scarce story, the gameplay was boring and repetitive, and as much as every tells me about how awesome the guns are I never got any awesome guns. The dlcs were short with fetch/collection quests and most of the gameplay of the game was just a grind. Its like a mmo but offline without real reward for your work like most mmos have endgame. The game may have kept you busy for a long time but it was not worth all that money to me(And Ive been playing pc games since the 90s)

Im not saying other people cant like the game, but I cant rationally agree with thinking borderlands was a award worthy game. In my book its a C rate game. I do have my fingers crossed maybe the devs have learned a lesson though(the dev even admits there was almost no story)

Buying Borderlands 2 for PS3, ignoring DLC, and if it all gets released in an ultimate edition down the road on Steam, then I'll get it.

Everyone needs to calm down and just deal with it. Also, quit clicking on the Borderlands topics if you're just going to bash it, douchebags. I invite you to find the door and gtfo, and click the thumbs down button if it'll make you feel better about your scumbag selves.

Yes, how dare we have a reasonable conversation about about a controversial topic. We should all just run out like good little consumers and buy the game, principles be damned, because De-Ting finally found a game he's excited for.

Nooo, the idea is to quit crying about something that's completely optional. What are you planning to accomplish by complaining about it?

This is why I love De-Ting.

Because expressing your opinion is one way we as consumers and gamers communicate to developers and publishers. You can change things by complaining, if enough people join the chorus. Is you think day one DLC is trash, by all means *****, but more importantly, don't buy it. That's the other form of communication. What I really hate is not being able to play with friends cause they popped for the DLC and you didn't, so they are hosting with content you don't have.

I don't think the guys at Gearbox are looking at this right now, do you?

To be honest, I HATE DLC, and agree with Sara... At the same time, I spent so much time playing Borderlands with all it's DLC that it's almost worth $100.00, which mind, you is less than paying for COD Elite of BF3 Premium.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM?

Do you know how much Borderlands cost with DLC included on PS3? $29.99

The DLC's together are I think $20 in the bundle. $30 for all the DLC within the first year of the game being out is not a bad thing at all. Us Gamers.

The problem with this is not what they are doing its the name. "Season pass" it sounds like so crappy studios screw you over dlc. The should call it want it is. the BILLY MAYS dlc deal. IF YOU ORDER NO FOR ONLY 29.99 YOU GET 3 DLCs WHEN THEY ARE COMPLETED A FEW MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AND IF YOU ORDER NOW I WILL THROW IN A FOURTH ONE FREE.

Come on people we've been through this already!

If I knew how to link I would link to the article on THIS site about taking a stand against profiteering or just shutting up and paying for the game you know you want regardless of what you choose to pay for...

We are all in this for the hours of fun and escapism these games bring to our dreary stress filled lives... Complaining about it and buying it anyway proves nothing to no one...

I understand both sides of the discusion. I understand that this stuff is optional, I just don't see the point in spending the money for the extra "season pass" when publishers have been doing GOTY editions for games. My interest in Borderlands 2 wasn't real high anyway. This just killed of what little interest had.

I am not sure if i will get the Season Pass. I am getting Borderlands 2 when it comes out and considering how great the Borderlands DLC was on the first game, i am sure it will be great for this one. I wont wait for the GOTY Edition, since those usually take a while and i would rather play the game i want to play when it comes out.

And do we really know if they are holding back content just to put in to DLC, how can we really know that they are doing? I mean the other DLC from Borderlands seemed pretty removed from the plot, like it was thought after the fact. I would assume they just have a plan for DLC, and may have started some work but will not be done in time for release. I have to say the tagline for this article is dumb too, showing how entiled gamers are, saying it should have come with the game.