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CNN: Man Up and "Get Off The Video Games"?

Posted on Tuesday, October 4 @ 16:53:05 Eastern by


CNN contributor William J. Bennett, the U.S. secretary of education from 1985 to 1988, has a mouthful to say about how men are falling behind in the gender battle and how video games contribute:

For the first time in history, women are better educated, more ambitious and arguably more successful than men...

If you don't believe the numbers, just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up... This decline in founding virtues -- work, marriage, and religion -- has caught the eye of social commentators from all corners.

Man's response has been pathetic. Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys. While women are graduating college and finding good jobs, too many men are not going to work, not getting married and not raising families. Women are beginning to take the place of men in many ways. This has led some to ask: do we even need men?

So what's wrong? Increasingly, the messages to boys about what it means to be a man are confusing. The machismo of the street gang calls out with a swagger. Video games, television and music offer dubious lessons to boys who have been abandoned by their fathers.

...The Founding Fathers believed, and the evidence still shows, that industriousness, marriage and religion are a very important basis for male empowerment and achievement. We may need to say to a number of our twenty-something men, "Get off the video games five hours a day, get yourself together, get a challenging job and get married." It's time for men to man up.

Apparently, to be a man in America, he has to work, get married to a woman, and be religious. Well, I'm an agnostic gay man who works by playing and writing about video games... so I guess I'm screwed. So is the rest of the video game industry, as the vast majority in the industry are men. Also, this just in: Women don't play video games. See? Facebook, Popcap, and iPhone games really don't count?

Now, I get it. Even I know a few guys who I wish I could kick out of their gaming chair and tell them to drop their video games for a sec and be responsible for a change. It's all about balance, yes?

But if we really want to talk about masculinity, I could talk about how video games are essentially a throwback for men, back to a time when strength and courage meant something instead of their marginalization in the modern workplace, which is why so many successful games are about historical quests, warfare, epic heroism, and the frontier, be it in space, the Wild West, or the apocalypse.

Instead, we just get another tiring editorial by an old man slamming young men with his erect judgmental ignorant troll face.

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  • Longo_2_guns
    Longo_2_guns

    Joined: Jun 2003
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    Yes, that's right, Facebook, Popcap, and iPhone games don't really count. No need for a question mark when you're saying a true statement.
  • MrrClean
    MrrClean

    Joined: Aug 2010
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    Holy ****, that guy is a f*cking idiot...
  • leavesofgrass611
    leavesofgrass611

    Joined: Aug 2011
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    Why does this dinosaur care about my personal beliefs or whether or not I get married?
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    I also play poker (live and online), brew beer and I am an avid BBQer (only cause I got a sick deal on a trailer smoker). How are these any different from video games in the sense they are all hobbies and things I do in my spare time. If I didn't do those things I've listed, they'd be replaced by more gaming.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    Can I come over the next you throw a party?
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
    When I first read the statement I forgot it came from a man and was thinking "what a ****ed up *****, I bet she wants a husband to enslave him and take care of the kids while she's at the spa"

    Now I think he desperately wants to be a successful woman.
  • JunkyArd
    JunkyArd

    Joined: Aug 2006
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    I know so many girls that all they do is spend hours upon hours on facebook. Like what the hell? That serves no purpose except to be a creepy stalker. Chainsawing nubs in half is much more productive.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
    As the resident “old man” (I’m 48) I take a little offence at your last statement Nick, but I am no where near as offended by it as I am by the total ignorance of Mr. Bennett. The education system in this country is severely broken and he is crusading against video games as the main reason for men not being properly educated. What a fool! Look at any list of nations ranked by educational standards the US isn’t ranked high enough. Why? Because we just don’t care to fix the real problems, we want to blame someone or something for our own failures so we can avoid taking responsibility for them. Isn’t that right former U.S. Secretary of Education William J. Bennett.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 12:24 am
    I don't consider you old. And besides, you're not the kind of old man I was talking about. You make sense.
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 1:02 am
    What? Speak up sonny the battery in my hearing aid just died.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 5:35 am
    You're 48? You could be my grandparent!! (not that I want to make you feel ancient or something)
  • Imnickson
    Imnickson

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    You couldn't be more correct about the schools in this country. The problem is our public school program is set up the same way it was post World War II. High schools basically have a 20, 30, 50% split. Twenty percent of high school graduates go off to the higher education to obtain jobs that require said knowledge, 30% go to tech schools or less to get become accountants, secretary's and the like and 50% go straight to work as unskilled labor. Now that worked 70 years ago but now every position requires a college education and high school graduates were not properly prepared for a world that requires them to go to college.
  • Lethean
    Lethean

    Joined: Jan 2001
    Posted: Oct 4th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
    So instead f using hard research he's using opinions of women, members of society who are influenced by society and what the media tells us, up to and including stereotypes reinforced on t.v, in popular media, etc? Infallible reporting if you ask me.

    Oh and yeah, let's all get 1950s gender roles in here. That works so well.

    PS. Of all the businesses on the Fortune 500, you know, ones that have to be run by driven, professional individuals who are all growed up, only 12 are run by women. That isn't a slam to women or a fist bump to men, it's sad that it's such...But...Either way...I guess those 488+ men running those 488 companies have never played video games.
  • Game_Lede
    Game_Lede

    Joined: Oct 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:39 am
    Guys - don't prove the man's point by acting childish in response to what he's writing. Ignorant troll face? Really? What about poopy pants? Boy, that will prove he's wrong.
  • quiknkold
    quiknkold

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 5:36 am
    the adult that is me wants to say to this guy "Your arguement is invalid. Videogames are like other fictional media that engross one into using their imagination and are not screwing up with men across America."
    But my inner child wants to shout "Shut Up Old Guy! Your a Booger!"
  • Heath_Hindman
    Heath_Hindman

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:05 am
    "18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys."
    ^ Because we can get jobs where we play games, duh. Grade school and homework take up a load of time. Knock those out of the way and become a game journalist and you're golden.

    "This has led some to ask: do we even need men?"
    ^ I dunno, how are women doing at manufacturing sperm?
    Also who is going to eat all of the sandwiches you make if there are no men. Tree falls in the woods something something
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
    The Penguins Speak!
  • Ranim
    Ranim

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:53 am
    Every complaint about men is true of women as well, especially the toilet thing.
  • StickyGreenGamer
    StickyGreenGamer

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:03 am
    "You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up" - Says the girls who spend their days building shrines to themselves on Facobook, inhaling episodes of Jersey Shore, and spouting feminism all the while dolling herself up for some guy with a couple extra greenbacks in his wallet.

    "While women are graduating college and finding good jobs, too many men are not going to work, not getting married and not raising families." I'm "not getting" work, mostly due to the fact that my city suffers from near 20% unemployment, most retailers around here would much rather hire a pretty girl. I'm not out looking for a girl to make that family with because...I'm unemployed, one foot in front of the other hoss.

    "Video games, television and music offer dubious lessons to boys who have been abandoned by their fathers." Perhaps the most dubious lesson learned here isn't being taught by the TV, but by the parent that is walking out.

    There are a thousand counters,
  • StickyGreenGamer
    StickyGreenGamer

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 7:04 am
    to this guys argument. But suffice to say, they are all unnecessary, and all will go unheeded. This guy is an ex government official, and ones in positions like his are the best at spitting out lies with a straight face. Go take a look at what the drug czar says. It all strikes a similar vein, and it all reeks of bovine excrement.
  • Affen
    Affen

    Joined: Sep 2008
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:51 am
    So he's basically just saying: stop living like you want and start living like we want.

    Disposable rug oiling the gears of the goverment. A true man.
  • mikamage
    mikamage

    Joined: Jun 2010
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:49 am
    The Mr. Bennett is right, for some reason (well, it's actually ignorance) Nick Tan decides really only to focus only on the last paragraph of the selection, and while it is a bit oddly included the rest of the message is spot on. First of all, Mr. Agnostic Homosexual, where in that highlighted selection does Mr. Bennett say “straight marriage”? Secondly, what exactly do male 18-25 gamers playing 5-8 hours of Halo a day feel 18-25 females are doing with that same time, gossiping and shopping? Please, those women are reading, engaging in real hobbies which involve talent and productivity, exercising, etc. However, males should keep wasting their time, as it creates somewhat of a natural "affirmative action" in which the positions in school and career which would normally have gone to males are given to females who don't feel the need to play Call of Duty all night long. Lastly, gamers time to grow up, any critique of any gaming is always responded to by the peanut gallery shouting foul, even though clearly game addiction is a series issue; it’s as though someone would say “people shouldn’t smoke more than 5 packs a day” and immediately get lambasted by smokers who erroneously claim the person is “fervently anti-smoking” although the person only argued for temperance in the practice…
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
    @mikamage are dense or just trolling? William J Bennett served as U.S. Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan. When this man says “marriage” he means “straight marriage” because to his mind that is the only kind of marriage there is. Video games are at worst a symptom of the lack of ambition, education, and the ultimate lack of successfulness in men , and not the cause of that problem. Yes, I agree that “…game addiction is a series issue…”, but I doubt seriously that all gamers are addicted to gaming. You and Mr. Bennett need to see that there is a problem not with video games and gamers, but with the educational system in this country and with a society that condones it’s continued blatant failure.
  • mikamage
    mikamage

    Joined: Jun 2010
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 11:51 am
    *serious issue, too : p
  • J03
    J03

    Joined: Aug 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    I like how this guy acts like there aren't any female gamers out there. Or maybe he just wants more of them so that men can stay on top. I also doubt this guys played a video game in his life, because if he had he'd realize he's talkin out his a**.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    So the success of females in life is somehow detrimental to males? More than half of all marriages end in divorce and on average only last 8 years, to hell with that. Stop breeding, theres too many people in the world as it is. Get a challenging job..... its a challenge to get a job... or does he mean move to the third world asian country the jobs have been outsourced to, to get said job? Thatd be a challenge.
  • Silios
    Silios

    Joined: Jul 2003
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Just another day in the Neo-Conservative hyper religious world. Also, got to love the heavy undertones of sexism.
  • devaldogz
    devaldogz

    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
    legalize marijuana!!!!!!!!!!!
  • tinymhg
    tinymhg

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Oct 5th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
    Yes, please do.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Oct 8th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    No decriminalize it, if you legalize it and tax it like cigarettes Ill most likely not be able to afford it.

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