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Darksiders Designer Says Current-Gen Has "More Than Enough Life" Left

Posted on Sunday, August 12 @ 14:50:38 Eastern by Jonathan_Leack

Every day that passes brings more grey hairs to the current-generation of consoles, and they certainly aren't getting any younger. You could probably argue that a new PlayStation and Xbox console should have already been released, but you might be surprised what developers think.

Vigil Games Lead Designer Haydn Dalton was asked by Brutal Gamer what he thinks about the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 lifespans after finishing development of Darksiders II, to which he responded:

I think there’s more than enough life in the current-gen consoles. [Developers] are really harnessing the technology and pushing it further each year.

Sure, developers are going to push aged hardware to the limit... because they have to. I'm sure it's comfortable to keep working with the same toolset, but sometimes progression is more important. There's nothing new to raise the ceiling, and the potential for new experiences is stunted by hardware that came out before Bob Barker hosted his last episode of The Price is Right.

When I look at the image above of Darksiders II, I think of the visuals the same way I saw games PlayStation 2 graphics back in 2006. Sure, it looks good, but it could be better. New hardware with more than 512MB of RAM and faster processing power would quickly remind us why we were so excited when we got our first PlayStation, Nintendo 64, or PlayStation 2. There's a whole world out there waiting to be explored.
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  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
    "before Bob Barker hosted his last episode of The Price is Right"

    My new litmus for things that are outdated.
  • sliverstorm
    sliverstorm

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    I would be pleased with a next-gen that maintained graphical fidelity and just improved performance. The philosophy for 80% of this generation seems to have been '720p slideshow', and I would much prefer 60fps to a quintupled polygon count going forward.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    I have 120hz but I agree, games should be running fps at there refresh rates. I watched my roomate play on his xbox and it amazes me just how choppy everything looks now and how my xbox gamer friends say they cant see the difference.
  • danielrbischoff
    danielrbischoff

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:23 am
    Especially with engines like Frostbite 2.0. Next-gen definitely needs more RAM.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    If anyone is saying consoles are still hot today, it's obviously just to justify making a sequel in the current generation. I mean the only time I've touched my Xbox since I got my new PC a year ago was to play Dark Souls or go online a couple times with friends (who have also mostly switched to PC now), and the only time I expect to in the future is for the Metal Gear Solid HD collection, and that's only if MGS3 doesn't emulate properly.
  • Ranim
    Ranim

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    Hardware that is out right now is at least 5 times better than what the Xbox has in it. The next generation is going to be a quantum leap in terms of technical potential if we are to assume it will be a year or two before they go into mass production. I think we're gonna see more voxels this time around.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    *sigh* As a top end PC gamers I have watched developers make excuse after excuse for shafting pc games, limiting there graphics, making shitty ports, and coming up with excuses for why they dont support new technology(GW2 isnt a console developer you recently were wrong in this, You should not have said you only have dx9 to make sure everyone is supported, PC gamers are smart and know that a pc game is suppose to be scalable across multiple hardware.) and as for anyone who says things like "DX11 doesnt really do anything" or "You dont need more then 32fps" or "people who complain about graphics should just play consoles" you are a retard and have no been with pc gaming since the 90s. Im at a point now where I dont buy dx9 games anymore(with exception to gw2) PC gaming has had a long history of innovation up until recently when developers didnt want to spend the extra time and care on a pc version while also making it multiplatform so they can make more money.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    Then they tried to blame it on PC piracy and not that shitty development. I have a modded xbox I can play leaked xbox games before they release dates on. On the pc you will almost never find a cracked version before the release date. I dont promote piracy but developers cant use it as a shitty excuse against pc gamers when xbox gamers can pirate things before pc gamers.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    So please devlopers no more excuses for not including dx11, tessellation, AntiAliasing(I have no idea how games in 2012 get away with only supporting fxaa) physx. Use alot more video card memory, use all this extra hardware power and show people that next gen in is here today. Xbox and sony are just falling behind in speed.

    p.s. as a 120hz gamer I hate any developer that releases a game with a fps cap and no way to mod it up to 120fps.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Its actually becoming common that developers will shaft pc gamers in some way or have a glaring problem with them game and then blame there lack of sales on piracy instead of saying "Hey these gamers arnt buying the game for a reason involved with the actual development of the game, not because they are greedy ass pirates"

    Sorry about the type rant but developers spouting bullshit gets me going.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Any developer who claims at this point in time that the current gen "has more than enough life" left is lazy and wants nothing more than to min-max profit margins. They don't care about technical advancement, all they want to do is milk the current gen for as much money as they possibly can for 2 reasons: 1) they don't need to teach themselves the current hardware, they know it, its easy and quick for them. 2) the current gen is cheaper to develop for than the next gen.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    I read here the other day that devs wanted next-gen consoles because they were getting tired to work with the same tools.

    I say: Read the post above me and don't talk about the things you don't understand. And new hardware does not make better games.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
    By the way sorry if the comment sounds rude, you know I love GR and their members.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
    TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENT. Read my post again, you lack comprehension. And when did I say ALL developers? No where. There are a bunch of developers who want the next gen to come, because they welcome change and the difficulty of learning a new system. Then there's others who just want to continue doing the same thing.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
    Then you think differently than me. I thought you adressed all devs when saying they don't care about those all-caps words and not just the ones you call lazy.

    Now I can also see the flaws in your arguments and in my earlier thoughts, but I don't think I can fit that in a comment. Thanks for making me comprehend.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    Yea, the flaw in my argument is that I'm living in reality, you are not. This current gen is ancient, but it is easy and cheap to develop for now, which is why some devs want to stay in this gen as long as possible. Min-Maxing profit margins, it's all about the money. Take that to the bank, son.
  • Bras
    Bras

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:15 am
    If I write what I think down, would you care to read it so we can have a nice debate?
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:45 am
    Go ahead and write a member blog if you are so bothered by it. But the fact remains, this issue is all about profit margins. Jonathan is dead on in this article, and you can't really debate against fact.
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
    Who cares what or why the developers think about the current or next gen? They don't control when it releases. If the next gen isn't out for a while you may as well embrace the current gen as a developer.
  • Snacko
    Snacko

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
    I think the more developers "push the hardware to its limits" as he says, the more expensive, less interesting and safer games are becoming. I think another hardware generation would make gaming virtually collapse on itself.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Hahaha someone looking through these comments really hates PCs.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 12:07 am
    Modern hardware is bad... mmmkay?
  • Ivory_Soul
    Ivory_Soul

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:23 am
    After getting my gaming laptop a couple of years ago I don't really play consoles much anymore either. My computer is more powerful than my consoles and 5 years ago I never would have thought that was possible. If there's a PC version I usually get that instead especially games like Skyrim, Fallout: New Vegas, Max Payne 3, DiRt series, Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, The Witcher 2, and many other games that actually utilize the PC hardware for Direct X 11. After playing Arkham City and Saints Row: The Third in DX11 it made my eyes hurt to see them on the consoles. Even after playing Gears of War 3 again I realized just how crappy the textures look up close due to the lack of RAM.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:54 am
    Welcome to the team with the best eyecandy :)
  • moretokes
    moretokes

    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:16 am
    There's a lot of hate going on in this post. Can't we all just be friends? ...... Didn't think so
  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    I'm bored by gaming in general now and I play consoles and PC.
  • Lenin17301
    Lenin17301

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    I personally think that developers could still make great games that could run even on "ancient" consoles like the Dreamcast or the PS2, or 2-4 years old PCs, look at awesome games like Sound Shapes on PS Vita, Groove Coaster on iOS, the multiplatform Plants Vs Zombies, all great games that don't need 6GB of RAM or Quad-Core processors to kick ass, and there are many more examples out there.

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