Pachter Calls Gamers "Whiny" After Mass Effect 3 Ending Fiasco

Hate to say it, but I agree with Pachter on most of his points here. I don't agree that gamers are whiny "in general" though. There is a serious subset of dicks and whiners among gamers, and the people who voted for EA were probably the same who went crazy over the ME3 ending and the same who harass video game employees over Twitter. It would be interesting to find out their demographic (probably mostly males under 20).

"As far as I can tell, it was a vocal minority of several thousand, but given that the game shipped 3.5 million units and likely sold through 2.8 million, I can’t believe that the backlash comprised more than 10 percent of consumers, and think it’s more likely closer to 1 percent."

So 1% are whiny... Gotcha.

"That incident was a great example of what a whiny group gamers are in general."

Oh wait in general we are whiny?

I love how Jonathan Leack is trying so hard to dismiss Pachter's Opinion. I agreed wholeheartedly with Mister patcher by the way. The game is great and the general consensus is even though "a vocal minority" are complaining about the ending, in the end the game itself is a worthy experience.

"I don't know Pachter, I have only met a couple people who weren't left with a bad taste in their mouth after seeing Mass Effect 3's ending, and I'm not one of them."
That just mean you need to get more friends Johnathan. *troll face*

The problem is that (judging by the quotes in the news) Pachter is an idiot.

hmm

"What's a week in the gaming industry without Wedbush Morgan Securities Analyst Michael Pachter saying something ridiculous? "

That is not dismissing someone at all, is it now? And along with the axe you are grinding, it's not making good you look good dude.

You're not familiar with Pachter's habit of saying stupid things over and over, are you?

It seems to me Lien is simply trying to validate Pachter's efforts at trolling because he happens to like the "ending" of ME3. You do realize you can like the game and still take this guy's comments for what they are, which is red meat for attention. What did he think would happen by calling a vocal and socially connected group like gamers whiny? A little critical thinking goes a long way Lien.

It seems to me Lien is simply trying to validate Pachter's efforts at trolling because he happens to like the "ending" of ME3. You do realize you can like the game and still take this guy's comments for what they are, which is red meat for attention. What did he think would happen by calling a vocal and socially connected group like gamers whiny? A little critical thinking goes a long way Lien.

Most of what Patcher is saying is correct, he's just saying it like a dick so it's ruffling your feathers. There is nothing wrong with Liens post, maybe you should look up "critical thinking"

I think he wants to piss off the internet

Patcher is basically right...and I hate to say that too because I know it's not everyone who is being whiny and dickish out there.

But this goes back to the perception of the gaming community I talked about once before. Fact of the matter is, that 1% that has existed since the 16 bit console wars has ruined it for everyone else.

Gamers aren't any more whiny then any group of people (BTW, Fieperskaivu great comment!) IMO. But the vast majority of interaction with devs tends to occur through the internet. It's not large mystery that when allowed to make comments through the anonymous medium of the web personalities tend to be a little...different.

I have yet to play ME3. The robbery of my PS3 meant that I needed to replay ME2 to recreate my saves. I loved ME2, and had several different complete saves: Paragon, Renegade, Mixed (choices I'd have picked), and one Fem just to mix things up and see the differences. The story of ME has been fun enough that even after all the controversy of the ending I still fully intend to go through at least the first three saves before touching ME3.

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From what I have heard, ME3 is amazing but for the ending. But I can understand why ppl are feeling betrayed by seeing how little effort apparently went into the end of a 5 year experience. We thought the creators were with us on this, but the whole concept of building your own story is useless if one discovers the ending was essentially linear all along. That picture of Tali is honestly pretty hard hitting to me. Developers knew that was something a lot of gamers were wondering about. Now we find they just looked up a Google Image and photoshopped it slightly?

They seem to want to "fix" this as much as possible while not losing face, and I'll gladly give them that chance. I love SWTOR, KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME, Dragon Age, and all those branching storyline games. But if these guys aren't going to do it right, they'll be losing the trust of their customers and a competitor will do it right for them and reap (pun unintended) the benefits.

If Pachter were that good, he'd be on Wall Street. Instead, he spends his time trying to show that he's in the "in crowd" by being a media hound. You guys need to research his position and his firm's position on EA before running these kinds of remarks. Frankly, on the merits, Pachter has it exactly wrong. Many more people dislike the ending of Mass Effect 3 than take the time to complain about it. The real damage is word of mouth among gamers. While the Retake movement has done a great job of getting attention for organization and civil dissent, the level of disappointment in the quality of the ending is widespread. Frankly, it is so dissimilar to the rest of the franchise, it is difficult to imagine it coming from the same enterprise.

Pachter has some agenda here, if only sucking up to EA. Or maybe its another in a long line of his "look at me" antics. But I think the information he's trying to convey is just wrong. Which is a bad quality in a stock picker.

You guys here that!? Pachter and those who agree with him think you should just keep your mouths shut and keep opinions to yourself (unless they are positive I guess). You don't like the pitiful ending to an amazing series that you spent 200 hours playing, all building up to an ending based on you choices only to find none of those choices matter.......just keep quiet, don't rock the boat and take your medicine.

What Pachter doesn't realize, and apparently some if you also, is ANY game studio values gamer input and feedback, good or bad. Am I condoning personal threats or malicious conduct....no, don't be stupid.

No they don't. BioWare has said several times that the want constructive criticism and feedback that way, versus the bullshit I keep seeing by many fans. Cupcakes is not constructive criticism, it is a poor excuse at trolling.

I think cupcakes were a very civilized way to protest.

But at the same time, anything that is criticizing the game, even constructive criticism, is edited, deleted, or locked on their forums.

I beg to differ...



They lock and delete threads that are redundant to a thread already discussing an issue. At least that is what I have been seeing for the past three weeks.

Some gamers feel they are entitled to too friggin much and thats where the casual/hardcore, dlc, controller vs motion detection arguments and bullshit begins. Only the ignorant in the history will just lump all opinions together and ignore them.
Theres a big difference between how Blizzard has pandered to casual players causing others aggravated by these changes to leave for greener pastures vs a trilogy spanning many years where your character interactions were made to feel important over the course of the games only to feel the final ending ignored these choices. Its not pandering to follow thru with a game aspect you implemented to its closure. Anyone else feel the introduction of multiplayer to a game, and a shitty single player ending have any connection?

*history of internet critique/reviews*... wow what the hell did my internet have a stroke during my rant?

I have to agree with your mutiplayer theory. If you recall, this game's release was delayed, and during that delay BioWare could have used that time 3 ways. To address multiplayer issues, to optimize Kinect interface, or to polish the core game. I guess attracting more COD fans was higher on the list than making the choices a player made over the course of 3 games have any wieght towards the story's outcome.

Good point about multiplayer hurting the single player game. This is something I've been saying for quite some time now.

I don't think gamers are whiny, I think other consumer groups aren't whiny enough!

what even happened at the end of ME3 to get people so pissed off? i stopped playing mass effect after the first one.

I don't get why its considered being "whiney" to hold people accountable for their promises they make. If they were having such a debacle completing the game rather than try and appeal to the online fanatics as well as trying to breathe life into Kinect, then they should have just pushed back the release date and finished the game. Then, maybe they would have something that would feel more "complete" in the eyes of the gamers.

All anyone seems to look at is how people are complaining, no one seems to look at the fact the Mass Effect fanbase was PROMISED something and got another thing completely different from what they were promised. In addition, they're now basically told to shut up because Bioware and EA are artists and they were having their artistic integrity shredded.

That's like me going in to a restaurant and ordering a sea bass and then getting a pulled pork sandwich. Then being told I should just shut up and eat it, because the cook knows what's best for me anyway.