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Rumor: Next Xbox Will Require Kinect, Constant Internet, Game Installs

Posted on Wednesday, March 20 @ 08:12:28 Eastern by Alex_Osborn


Yet another Next Xbox rumor has made its way online, once again supporting prior reports that the console will require players to install their games, be online at all times, and keep their Kinect plugged in as the device watches their every move.

VGLeaks released the alleged Durango XDK, which includes the following hardware overview posted below. It's long, so we've highlighted in bold the most important parts.

The Durango console is designed to offer developers modern hardware that is more powerful than the Xbox 360. It uses a familiar x64 Architecture and tools, and compared with Xbox 360 development, will reduce development time and effort spent on performance optimization. Hardware accelerators, including “move engines” for common tasks, will be added to the console. Move engines can perform common game tasks like compression and decompression while moving data around the system. The console also has dedicated hardware support for common audio processing tasks that reduce the amount of CPU time that must be devoted to audio. The GPU provides considerable computing power, and supports Direct3D 11.

Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this “Always On, Always Connected” design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates.

Every Durango console will be sold with a new high-fidelity Kinect Sensor, which will be required for the system to operate. The console will provide HD video, and will use new depth sensor technology to provide better screen resolution and less noisy depth data. Active infrared illumination will provide high-quality monochrome images even in low ambient light conditions. A wider field of view allows play in smaller spaces, and removes the need for a tilt motor.

System software will offer a full set of system API for Natural User Interface (NUI), and the API set will be an improvement to the corresponding API used by Xbox 360. Skeleton tracking, identity and other NUI functions will be performed by the system, and for that reason, titles no longer need to allocate title resources to NUI.

The Durango controller will make the best-in-class Xbox 360 controller even better. it will have low-latency wireless connectivity to the console, and improved ergonomics. System interaction that use the controller will be simplified to make them easier for noncore gamers.

Every Durango console will have a hard drive, although its exact capacity has not been chosen. It will be large enough, however, to hold a large number of games. All games will be installed on the hard drive. Play from the optical disc will not be supported.

Durango consoles will have a Blu-ray Disc drive. Disc media will be used for distribution, but during gameplay, games will not use content from the optical disc. An installation system is being designed that will allow gamers to begin playing while the game is being installed on the hard drive rather than waiting until installation is complete.

Audio output from Durango will be all digital – 7.1 discrete PCM output through HDMI and [obscured]. Hardware accelerators will be included for decoding and decompressing common audio formats. There also will be a dedicated sound processor to perform common signal processing in hardware.

There are certainly some major benefits to this approach, but will mandatory game installs and a required internet connection be a turn-off to many? If this hardware overview proves to be true, do you think Microsoft has the right approach, or are they making a mistake? Let us know in the comments below.

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  • ballabert
    ballabert

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:23 am
    "The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current."

    Yeah, OK, its for OUR convenience, of course, I know we've all been begging for this.

    "With this “Always On, Always Connected” design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates."

    Until the connection breaks/is down/or MS servers crash, in which case you have a Durango paperweight

    Thank you MS for including these requirements we've all been clamoring for.

    This whole Kinnect thing is really getting my inner conspiracy theorist all riled up as well, and I've worked hard to keep him at bey
  • Ivory_Soul
    Ivory_Soul

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    Please don't say they need the Kinect connected because they will secretly video tape every household just so they can catch little Mary Sue in her panties...please don't.
  • ballabert
    ballabert

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:34 am
    uhhhh not exactly what I was thinking, but... yeah... that too i guess?
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    So how old is Lil Mary Sue exactly? Ballpark figure?
  • Ivory_Soul
    Ivory_Soul

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Between 8-65 give or take 20-30 years.
  • Ivory_Soul
    Ivory_Soul

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:23 am
    Well, we all already are constantly connected to XBL when we turn on our consoles, BUT, what happens when the service goes down? Can we play Halo 5 offline for a while while servers are repairing? Why the hell would we pay extra money for a physical disc when it's just used for about 15 minutes! WHAT THE HELL IS MS THINKING!! Okay...maybe there's a logical explanation for all this. The Kinect sensor is required? HOW?! Does it have to detect light during boot up and then you have to stick your face in it or it won't stay on? Can I just leave the stupid thing connected and stuff it behind the TV? Why would they force a crappy sensor onto us WE don't want and obviously MS doesn't want because there aren't any games for it now are there?! They're pretty much just saying, "We have all these extra Kinects...here, YOU throw these away".
  • kingobling
    kingobling

    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    Well considering that over 40% of North Americans don't have Internet, this is not really a smart move. It's hard to believe, but many people can't afford it, and so Microsoft are closing the door on them.
    Then again, if they can't afford Internet, they probably aren't preoccupied with playing games or investing in a game console. I think it's closed minded, and I don't think it's a good demographic strategy.
  • pavlos
    pavlos

    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:24 am
    That is a perfectly laid out conclusion equally deserving of the stupidity of the idea. I'm sure MS are going to rethink this, because it's pure ignorance on their part. No way should having an internet connection be a prerequisite to gaming on a machine, and if they insist on it, I see Sony sitting at the peak of the console mountain
  • SolidSevchinko78
    SolidSevchinko78

    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:52 am
    Welp if this is indeed true, then Microsoft just shot themselves in their foot. Did they not learn anything from Sim City? They might as well pack in and call it a day. This won't fly
  • Kakulukia
    Kakulukia

    Joined: Nov 2005
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:58 am
    Why hello there, PlayStation 4!
  • LawnGnome
    LawnGnome

    Joined: Apr 2007
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:06 am
    I don't see where it says that you are REQUIRED to have an internet connection, just that it can maintain a constant connection & low-power state. Doesn't sound like DRM to me, even though it still could be.
  • cheesegod99
    cheesegod99

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:01 am
    If they are planning on requiring download of game data from Blu-ray discs (which will take a while by the way), they will DEFINITELY have some sort of DRM built into the system that prevents you from then either returning/reselling the disc or just handing it to your buddy to load onto his system. And we all know how much gamers love DRM, especially when the servers fail...
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:02 am
    I dunno about you but I can't think of the last time I used my xbox (even single player) where I wasn't connected to live/internet. No problems yet, I see this being no different.
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Not to mention I install all of my games as well.
  • SolidSevchinko78
    SolidSevchinko78

    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:09 am
    I think its because this could pose a security risk that could affect everyone. I wouldn't be surprised when it launches that Anonymous doesnt get to work trying to figure out how to bring it all down.
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Isn't there just as much of a 'risk' now if you're connected? I don't see how that's really the problem, as I'm sure a majority of users who have live have their profile to autoconnect when they log on.
  • SolidSevchinko78
    SolidSevchinko78

    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Yeah, but if this next XBOX requires it, then it means that its always connected, always online even when you "shut it off" It's not like when would shut our 360 off, it stays off until you power it up again later. I realize that when your playing a game logged in to Live you are online. But if this next system is dependent on always being connected even when your not playing, that's where the huge risk comes from. If a group of hackers were to bring it down, it would be devastating. That's just my thought on it.
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    Devestating in what way? Do you mean the risk of sensitive information being found (which is generally held server side anyway)? The xbox not staying updated? Your argument, to me, sounds like if my internet were to go out (equating to live going down?) it would be equally as 'devestating'.
  • drathbone
    drathbone

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    Nevermind, it's required to play. Obviously.
  • SolidSevchinko78
    SolidSevchinko78

    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Devastating meaning if the consoles must be connected in order to run games, demos, etc then if Live gets hacked or the network itself goes down no one will be able to do anything with their systems, it will be just like Sim City all over again. Also if it were to be hacked, that would mean the person could get sensitive information from your console or do something to brick everyones systems as well. Give a person who is good with finding back doors in programs some time and it can come crashing down.
  • Jedi_On_Acid
    Jedi_On_Acid

    Joined: Nov 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    Just made my decision much easier, Playstation 4 all the way. I will miss Halo though ...
  • Jessica_Vazquez
    Jessica_Vazquez

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:21 am
    I'm excited about the Blu-Ray technology but I am not too excited about anything else.
  • cereal13killer
    cereal13killer

    Joined: Nov 2008
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    This is the best promotion for the PS4 I've seen yet!
  • cereal13killer
    cereal13killer

    Joined: Nov 2008
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    This sounds absolutely terrible! As I've said before, always online will be a disaster! It abandons players who don't have (good) internet connections, which means a lot of rural gamers are s.o.l, and if someone decides to take down xbl then you can't play use your console! Installing content is also a huge mistake. Blu Ray discs can store up to 30gb (... 33.5gb), and with a hard drive that is (rumored to be) only 500gb, that's about 15 - 20 games you can install on your console, without DLC and the obligatory xbl updates. Finally, I don't see why the controllers really need hard drives, unless it's being used as a Zune content sharing mechanism, which is cool, but could be done using preexisting infrastructure. Ultimately I see all the "improvements" from MS driving up the cost of the console and accessories, and driving down my (everyones) desire to own one.
  • Hatecrew
    Hatecrew

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Just like the tittle says.....its just a RUMOR right??? I mean....this is too good to be true for Sony and every Xbox users nightmare. Unless they have a secret weapon hidden in their sleeves where its going to make you WANT to buy this new system.....You might as well just close your coffin Microsoft, while I shovel dirt onto you!
  • usaglory
    usaglory

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    If this turns out to be true then the next console-wars will be a no contest:
    1- PS4.
    2- Wii U
    3- Durango/720.
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  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    I wasn't inclined to buy a 720,Durango,whatever. If this turns out to be true, they'd damn-near have to give me one.
  • DaVillain
    DaVillain

    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    Ok. Everytime I have moved I have always had to wait up to a week or so to get internet and tv connected. Usually what I do is play games and watch movies on my console until the cable company arrives. Withd what MS wants to do, I would not be able to do any of those things. If this is true, I have completely no interest in the new xbox.
  • damo_rox619
    damo_rox619

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
    i really really hope that hackers do to xbox live what they did to psn, just to teach microsoft a big lesson. it'd be worse for xbox than playstation, because that would make the console completely useless as long as the service is down
  • BigTruckSeries
    BigTruckSeries

    Joined: May 2006
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    #1 I always felt Kinect is a gimmick and I don't want it or give a F about any of Kinect's games.

    #2 The constant on internet connection is going to raise your electric bill by how much? They are basically telling us this system won't sleep/power off.

    #3 HANDS UP if you want a kinect camera sitting in front of you and a system that wants to ALWAYS BE ON.

    Gee I wonder what naughty things the government could catch me doing to my wife when the lube comes out?

    #3 Considering I install ALL of my games to my 120GB HDD and hate having to actually switch disks, I will forgive the lack of optical disks. Thing is, I never trade or sell games and I have a shelf filled with games because I LIKE BEING ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHERE MY MONEY WENT!!!

    #4 I haven't used a wireless controller in years. The wired controller is so much better and I never have to worry about charging it.
  • BigTruckSeries
    BigTruckSeries

    Joined: May 2006
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    #1 I always felt Kinect is a gimmick and I don't want it or give a F about any of Kinect's games.

    #2 The constant on internet connection is going to raise your electric bill by how much? They are basically telling us this system won't sleep/power off.

    #3 HANDS UP if you want a kinect camera sitting in front of you and a system that wants to ALWAYS BE ON.

    Gee I wonder what naughty things the government could catch me doing to my wife when the lube comes out?

    #3 Considering I install ALL of my games to my 120GB HDD and hate having to actually switch disks, I will forgive the lack of optical disks. Thing is, I never trade or sell games and I have a shelf filled with games because I LIKE BEING ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHERE MY MONEY WENT!!!

    #4 I haven't used a wireless controller in years. The wired controller is so much better and I never have to worry about charging it.
  • reiandcoke
    reiandcoke

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    Anything stupid like "always online" that is done to prevent piracy is just dumb. As it stands if you are pirating games you will get banned from Xbox LIve. Not having Xbox Live pretty much ruins Xbox anyways. I know TONS of people who modded consoles back in the PS2 and earlier generations but hardly anybody does it now. It's taboo to admit to owning a modded console on any gaming site but I don't care.... I modded my wii so that I could run games off of my external hard drive. If they had any kind of legitimate online ecosystem that I could have gotten banned from I wouldn't have done it. Banning users from XBL (or PSN) would make almost all gamers shy away from pirating.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    Durango XDK, Look at XDK sideways (or rotate clock 90 degrees) and you see a person laughing how many rumors there are.
  • UpAndAtThem
    UpAndAtThem

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    So you will be required to have a web cam and always be connected to the internet?
    But don't worry... it's not like Microsoft is watching you all the time or anything, they're just making sure they have the hardware in place to watch you... but they're not going to.

    That's the most Nineteen Eighty-Four thing I've heard in a long time.

    (in case some out there need clarification, I mean the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, not the actual year 1984)
  • ballabert
    ballabert

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    See! This guy gets it!
  • Lenin17301
    Lenin17301

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    This is like a laundry list of things that should not be done by any company in gaming, I'm not going to believe any of it yet, I'll wait till the official launch and then see if any of this comes true. I'll say this though, if the Always-online turns out to be true, I won't buy the Next Xbox.
  • Lok-Nar
    Lok-Nar

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    I call BS on all of this. I doubt all the non-comment statements in this article.
  • JerryW
    JerryW

    Joined: Feb 2013
    Posted: Mar 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    I'm with on that. Seems too suicidal to be true.
  • Klandathu
    Klandathu

    Joined: Apr 2008
    Posted: Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
    The "always online" portion can't possibly be true. There are still quite a few people that live in areas where that's just not an option. Either they have limited internet usage and can't spend the necessary time connected or, believe it or not, there are still places where high speed internet just isn't available. The town I live in only got DSL right before I left high school eight years ago. We've had cable connections for about five years now. They would be driving away a fairly large chunk of potential sales for this reason alone. And what happens if Xbox Live ever goes down? Would that mean that I couldn't even play my single player games until it comes back up? Screw that.

    If by some stroke of madness this turns out to be a real "feature," I will most likely not buy one.
  • Jedi_On_Acid
    Jedi_On_Acid

    Joined: Nov 2012
    Posted: Mar 21st, 2013 at 6:09 am
    There must be 3 or 4 fanboys on this thread, anyone who has said anything negative about the new Box is getting thumbs down
  • Chunibrow
    Chunibrow

    Joined: Mar 2010
    Posted: Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am
    Clearly everyone got thumbs down, so it's a troll and its posse of trollets.

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