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Spector On The Current State Of Games: "Ultra-Violence Has To Stop"

Posted on Thursday, June 14 @ 12:56:15 Eastern by Alex_Osborn


Warren Spector, the game designer behind classics like Deus Ex and System Shock is now working on more family friendly games (see Disney Epic Mickey) so it hardly comes as a surprise to hear the man chastising other game developers for interjecting exhorbitant amounts of violence within their games.

In an interview with GI International, Spector shared his disdain for the current state of the industry. “The ultra-violence has to stop. We have to stop loving it. I just don’t believe in the effects argument at all, but I do believe that we are fetishizing violence, and now in some cases actually combining it with an adolescent approach to sexuality. I just think it’s in bad taste. Ultimately I think it will cause us trouble," he said.

He went on to point out that this was the very reason he decided to leave developer Eidos eight years ago. “I left Eidos in 2004 because I looked around at E3 and saw the new Hitman game where you get to kill with a meat hook, and 25 to Life, the game about kids killing cops, and Crash & Burn the racing game where the idea is to create the fieriest, most amazing explosions, not to win the race… I looked around my own booth and realized I just had one of those ‘which thing is not like the other’ moments. I thought it was bad then, and now I think it’s just beyond bad.”

Spector defends the violence in Deus Ex by saying that while it "had its moments of violence... they were designed to make you uncomfortable, and I don’t see that happening now." What do you think? Do you agree with Spector that "we've gone too far" with violence? Are we at a point where the gaming community at large is simply desensitized to this kind of content? Let us know in the comments below.


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  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    I don't think violence has gone "too far", but it's more like "too common". We have a billion games where you can blow limbs off or finding over a dozen ways to behead someone. It's become a routine.
  • gunseedam
    gunseedam

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    I'm inclined to agree with him, with all the violence in games today it seems were becoming more and more desensitized to it, I mean even kids games these days are heavily combat focused. Don't get me wrong im not against it its just when its added for no reason it seems its just put in for shock value or basically because violence sells these days.
  • 213EDD
    213EDD

    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
    Burgess would lower his head in shame at the sight of your comment.
  • Italion193
    Italion193

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    In my opinion, games are a way of escaping realty, and letting go of the world around you while you immerse yourself in a different universe. The artistic freedom is the very foundation of games and why they are so popular (IMO). I would go the whole alcohol/drug route but that is horse has been killed more times than all the horses in Skyrim since release. We have something special here and Specter can continue to make his games the way he wants just like other developers can pursue their visions. He will attract those interested in his game, and defer those that are not. Life.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    Parents arent parenting their children or looking at what they watch, listen, and play. It takes a village to raise a child... no, **** you the village is busy with its own problems so why dont you spend some quality time with your offspring and be intelligent about what is age appropriate for them. I do agree that some go a bit too far but others just try and sell a game based on violence/sex and not content. The same can be said about films and tv shows as well. Laziness and lack of originality on game devs part will just spawn more of the games Spector has problems with.
  • LawnGnome
    LawnGnome

    Joined: Apr 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    He says it is "in bad taste" and "will cause us trouble", but he doesn't say what exactly or why. If he doesn't want to play or make violent games, that's fine with me. However, as one of the millions of gamers who enjoy violent video games and has never physically harmed another human being, I don't understand what he's getting at, why he feels that way, or what he thinks should be done about it. He needs to elaborate beyond "Violence in games is bad, mkay."
  • MikeyVengeance
    MikeyVengeance

    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
    I work in online advertising within the travel industry and we constantly have to innovate on our products and advertising in order to keep the company and department in positive growth. So like video games we innovate or copy a competitor and while innovation is nice, it is far from guaranteed success, whereas a copy has at least some proven success. So as long as your standard "ultra violent" game continues to turn a profit I don't see why these developers would change. In today's world where a risk gone bad could mean the end of a company, there is just not enough incentive to constantly innovate...In my opinion anyway :p
  • theoutcast32
    theoutcast32

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    tell that pansy to get bacc into the kitchen
  • Fieperskaivu
    Fieperskaivu

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
    I wanna play a game where a robot with guns for arms is shooting a plane made out of guns that fires guns.
  • C_nate
    C_nate

    Joined: Apr 2009
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    He reminds me of a certain group of people who will do bad things for a significant portion of their life and suddenly are umm..."born" again and rail against all the very same things that they used to do. It was ok when they were doing it, but now that they aren't doing it anymore, it is not ok for anyone else anymore either.

    While it is admirable to want to better yourself and do better, just focus on your own improvement and not try to have everyone around you conform to your new found (in your own mind) superiority.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
    While I don't care for ultraviolent games, I think there's room in this industry for them and the gaming audience demands them. I mean, almost every game today has some version of violence, even Mario and Zelda. Just look at our E3 awards - all of them but Simcity has fighting or murder. The good news is that modern gaming gradually turning away from the overly aggressive, grunting, hyper-masculine form of violence and looking more toward the internal struggle and necessity of violence.
  • WILLS_COOL_MODE
    WILLS_COOL_MODE

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    I definitely don't agree with violence being too prevalent, there are plenty of nonviolent games out there and the fact that there ARE violent ones literally affects nothing. However, I do agree that the focus of violence is different now, and not as mature as it once was. Except for cases like No More Heroes and games of similar ilk, where the focus is satirized and overdone, it seems like violent games are more about catharsis than actual portrayal of violence. There are games with dehumanizing violence, like Grand Theft Auto where murder is entertainment, and my personal preference, humanizing violence such as ARMA where you actually end up fearing for your ingame life.
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    I like violence, and eating animal products, drinking alcohol, smoking (before the wife nagged me into stopping). If it doesn't harm anyone else, I don't care what you do. I feel like if he wants to make non-violent games, great for him. Stay out of my life if it doesn't affect you. Also, I feel there need to be more insanely graphically violent games. It's very cathartic.
  • reiandcoke
    reiandcoke

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    I'm all for violence in games. I'm just not all for games that base their gameplay strictly on violence (Gears of War, CoD, I'm looking in your direction). A game like Red Dead where violence is certainly welcome and part of the core gameplay mechanic but only a fraction of the experience is much more appealing to me. I would love a scene of intense violence and gore to happen in a game that isn't strictly about killing as you would feel the impact of it so much more.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    Just shut the **** up and make Disney games. OR I'LL RIP YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF.
  • 213EDD
    213EDD

    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Disney needs to listen to more people like this
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    Epic Mickey 3: Fuckin Epic
  • 213EDD
    213EDD

    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
    Epic Mickey of War
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    Epic Mickey 4: The Return of Mickey Rourke
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    Lawsuits, Lawsuits everywhere.
  • Lethean
    Lethean

    Joined: Jan 2001
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    Too many games try to be gritty and realistic now that's for sure. I can kind of see the ultra violence he speaks of. When he says something bad I doubt he means murderous kids but for video games to be socially accepted and "okay" with the uptight, those types of games can only hurt. And I mean, Tomb Raider now has Lara Croft getting raped?
  • wildmario
    wildmario

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    I think it's the whole bit of games trying to be serious so that they are taken seriously, which in turn makes the game look like a kid trying to be a grown adult.
  • fatkidkp
    fatkidkp

    Joined: Aug 2009
    Posted: Jun 14th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    violence is everywhere, there's no getting around it. i play violent games because it lets me do what i wish i could do.
  • Italion193
    Italion193

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jun 15th, 2012 at 8:48 am
    LOL

    True story.
  • OdiousLupous
    OdiousLupous

    Joined: Jul 2011
    Posted: Jun 15th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
    Agreed, I have nowhere near the stamina or patience to go driving downtown, find a hooker, drive to a safe spot, have sex with her, pay her, wait till shes in front of my car, run her over until dead, get out of my car, fish thru her clothes to get all her money, get in my car, and make a hasty retreat back home to wash the blood stains out of my loot.

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