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The Secret World Review

Jonathan_Leack By:
Jonathan_Leack
07/06/12
PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
EMAIL TO A FRIEND
GENRE MMORPG 
PLAYERS 1- 999 
PUBLISHER EA 
DEVELOPER Funcom 
RELEASE DATE Out Now
M Contains Blood, Partial Nudity, Sexual Content, Strong Language, Use of Drugs, Violence

What do these ratings mean?

Some secrets are best left untold.


I have a soft spot for online RPGs, especially MMOS that try to revitalize the stagnant genre with unique design and progressive flavor. The Secret World fits right into my archetype; not only does it attempt to go in a bold new direction with level-less design, a modern setting, and fully voice-acted cutscenes, but it’s made by a developer with over a decade of experience. In essence, it’s the perfect setup for either a big surprise or a huge let-down.

The Secret World starts off exactly how you might expectspending nearly half an hour creating a character. But don’t be fooled, it’s not because there are a lot of options. Selecting from one of the three cool factions (Dragon, Illuminati, and Templar) is great, but the character creator is too limited. Most of your time will go into choosing which clothes to wear since the choices for designing your character’s features are slim. Since everyone is human and the're very little physical customization, each character's wardrobe is what sets them apart.


During the first hour the game tears control away from you with dozens of cut-scenes and dialogue, but on the plus side the voice-acting is great. The game offers a truly unique atmosphere in the modern day world with a particular blend of myths and horror. NPC interaction is one of the best qualities of the game, but unfortunately the first few hours don't do it justice. Initially, it almost feels like you're playing a modern action-adventure game with MMO roots, but that potential is quickly swallowed whole by the first taste of combat.

The combat system aims for a more action-oriented approach with handguns, magic, and hammers, but it's so dated and incohesive that it’s hard to enjoy. The animations are clunky and it lacks the feedback that makes games like World of Warcraft and even the upcoming Guild Wars 2 fun to play for extended periods of time. Worst of all, combat sequences are rarely satisfying no matter which of the nine weapon types you equip. The only highlight is the attack indicator that appears while battling certain types of monsters which prompts you to dodge. However, it isn’t enough to carry the experience, and since you spend the majority of your time in battle, this shortcoming is amplified.

It’s important to keep in mind that by design The Secret World features both sandbox and themepark elements with hand-holding kept at a minimum. Though there’s a main storyline to follow, the path isn't set in stone. Instead, progression is made by participating in dozens of side-quests. Quests range from generic hunting quests that lull you to sleep, to missions that require thought and precision. Some take advantage of the game's engine by introducing interactive objects, while others send you around on a scavenger hunt. At launch, a sizeable portion of the quests are buggy and progression is halted on a regular basis. While most of these are optional, spending half an hour on a questline only to find out that one of the final steps is broken is something that can overwhelm any sense of satisfaction with pure frustration.

The unfortunate side effect of the game’s adventurous design is that it’s extremely common to feel lost and hopeless. Quest instructions are hit-and-miss with some offering helpful guidance while others are downright impossible to understand. You’ll find yourself constantly asking where to go in the game’s Help chat or taking advantage of the in-game browser to find forum threads littered with similarly confused individuals. Players who enjoy a challenge might find this quality alluring, but the average player will quickly lose interest.



Investigation quests are where the game shows strokes of brilliance. These quests require you to problem-solve by using clues in the environment as well as contextual items, such as phone books and newspaper articles. An in-game browser is also employed to solve a variety of the quests. Similarly, there are missions that involve platforming and light puzzle-solving. As with investigation, these breathe some life into The Secret World, but they’re only a minor portion of the whole questing experience. As such, the mixture of many dull and sometimes broken quests coupled together with the game's unsatisfying combat system makes for gameplay that simply put isn't fun.

What’s most interesting about the game is there are no levels and you can design your character how you want even after you finish character creation. Progression through the ability wheel is rewarding with hundreds of skills for you to choose from, and you can mix and match two weapon types to play how you want. A total of seven active and seven passive skills can be equipped at any given time and it’s encouraged that you level up several sections of the wheel to avoid being one-dimensional. The result is a system that is very flexible and encourages you to be a swiss army knife of sorts.

In terms of gear, there is no armor in the game, so you can wear any—or none—of the clothing purchased at the game mall to give your character the look you desire. There are talismans that can be equipped, which function in the same way as gear, although the combinations are limited and not visually gratifying since you can’t see them on your character. It’s a strange mixture, but on the plus side personality is on full-display. You’ll very rarely find two people who are dressed the same, and there are an awful lot of half-naked women running around... which might be a plus for you.

Each zone of The Secret World is themed with its own enemies and quests. The first main environment you run into is Kingsmouth, a calm town that’s been overrun with zombies. Later you go on to visit other real-world locations such as Egypt. It certainly makes going to a new area more exciting, but the biggest problem is that they’re inconsistent in quality, with later zones clearly less polished. What’s most concerning is that the zones feel dead with open areas littered with characterless enemies and uninteresting environments. The main cities are devoid of life and make you feel like you're a character in Stephen King's The Langoliers. Its lack of energy makes it difficult to become immersed, which is a shame considering the atmosphere has a lot of potential.



PvP is hardly worth noting. Not only is it laggy, severely imbalanced, and frustrating, but the combat also makes it a button-mashing snore-fest. The crafting system is useful for creating your first weapon and completing the tutorial, but afterward is rarely useful. There’s no group finder, so chat spam has once again found its way into a modern MMO. The one thing worth your time and effort are the several dungeons with unique bosses that require group strategy. They reward you with tons of experience and loot so it's a good idea to do them once your gear is up to snuff, but once again the game's floaty and spammy combat presents itself in full-force during the long drawn-out fights.

The detailed character models are the only commendable part of the game’s presentation, and even they're far from perfect. Female character faces look hideous, and although there are a few very well-designed enemies in the game, many of them are dull. The character models stand-out from the game's comatose environments which feel empty and unfulfilled. Animations are awful and there’s so little feedback that you’ll wonder sometimes whether or not your ability landed. The UI is functional but can be a hassle at times and considering it lacks hotkeys for inventory items it certainly isn't up to today's standards. Worst of all, performance isn’t up to snuff, so even if you have a decent rig chances are you’ll be rolling with lower framerates than you expect.

As it stands now, The Secret World stands little chance as a subscription-based game when similar products offer so much more. The flexible skill system is fun to toy around with, but the boring combat makes unlocking abilities far less desiring. While the voice-acted cutscenes are arguably the best in the genre, it's difficult to become engrossed in the world when it's as lifeless as it is. Lastly, the quests are far too inconsistent with investigation and platforming rising well above the majority of other quests which at times are downright dreadful. The Secret World is a title that may have made a splash five years ago. Now it’s just another archaic MMO looking to fit in.

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The Secret World
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  • Level-less ability-centric system offers flexibility
  • Uneventful combat that lacks feedback
  • Fully voice-acted cut-scenes
  • A world devoid of life
  • Investigation quests are enjoyable
  • Most other quests aren’t
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  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    Never understood why MMO's were reviewed at launch.
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  • intoTheRain
    intoTheRain

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    that is one random as hell super angry comment over something that didn't even seem that negative to me.

    he has a point, you cannot really get a proper MMO review out at launch. but on the other hand you do have to get the review out.

    calm down bro.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    "you have greatly enhanced the discussion for the review of this game."

    Same to you my friend, job well done.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:13 am
    Thumps up bro, I just wanted to pour a glass of water on your flaming.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    Someone has to say whether or not people should spend their money on it around launch, otherwise it's just a blind investment. Maybe I'll revisit the game after a few months and see how it has improved.
  • Guernica
    Guernica

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    Some sites that are devoted to mmo's do a release review and then more reviews down the line. That's sites that are devoted to only reviewing mmo's though.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:05 am
    The thing is that you should never play MMO's at launch, because they're shitty and you're wasting money because it'll be free-to-play within 8 months. But yeah, I just never understood launch reviews for them. A month or two later would be cool...not that I care all that much. I don't play MMOs anymore. lol
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Thanks for your opinion, it has been recieved and will be put in the "To Do" box.
  • Daddio
    Daddio

    Joined: Nov 2008
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    Yoish, I'm going through a divorce and I don't even rage that much to people online.

    As for the review happening right away that's because in 2 months the game will be without players and on the path to FTP.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am
    I wonder who's doing all the downvoting around here...
  • ReinhardtBII
    ReinhardtBII

    Joined: Oct 2007
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    Me, mostly. The Thumbsdown sorta reminds me of melting ice cream
  • sliverstorm
    sliverstorm

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    I heard the writing in this game was top-notch. Confirm or deny?
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    It's okay. A lot of it is occult-based and I can see a few people getting into it. I personally didn't care for the theme, though.
  • BigBadBob
    BigBadBob

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    Jonathan, how can you give this game a 2.5 while giving an average game like Diablo 3 such a high score? Diablo 3 has no PvP, a predictable story, and no balance (my DH with over 100K DPS has inferno Diablo on farm while my Monk is struggling with Inferno Act 2, epic balancing job there).

    The part where you say the zones don't feel alive, I really have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the zones feel lived in and are well developed (other than the Illuminati starting city that is). And when you said the "the combat also makes it a button-mashing snore-fest", I don't think you played the same game that I am.

    There are so many conditions, actions, and re-actions that combat in TSW is amazing. It is as far from button mashing as one can get. One wrong move and you can wipe your whole team, since there are no resurrection abilities in the game.

    There are a lot of glaring errors in your review, and I wonder if you have played the game at all...
  • BigBadBob
    BigBadBob

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
    And the story is just excellent. I would say that the new Spec Ops game (The Line) and The Secret World have the best writing and story I have seen in a game this year, and I played quite a few. Not even Max Payne 3 or The Old Republic can hold a candle to the writing in TSW, and the bland, predictable story of Diablo 3 is not even in the same category.

    Please play the game next time before reviewing it.
  • BigBadBob
    BigBadBob

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    All in all, The Secret World is an unforgiving, unapologetic, adult oriented game. It does no hand holding and most quests that people find difficult are actually very easy if you just pay attention to your surroundings. I for one find it refreshing that the game does not always tell me where to go or what to do next. I love solving the puzzles and actually using my brain.

    I have helped countless people by giving them clues to quests they thought were bugged. It seems that reading is going the way of the dodo, and mindless grinding is in. Too bad really.

    Finally, the fact that you don't even mention how deep the character development system is (there are over 500 skills and passives to chose from) makes me believe you only spent a few hours with the game.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    The ability wheel is noted as one of my favorite things about the game. However, the combat isn't good enough to support it in the long-run.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    Simple answer: The Secret World doesn't lay a strong foundation.

    I gave Diablo 3 a high score because it's a blast to play and has qualities that make it feel like the $60 price tag was worth it early into the experience. I never experienced a moment of fun in The Secret World, and ultimately that's what matters most when it comes to being able to recommend a video game to a wide audience.
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:47 am
    Who flags the content of low quality here? - the moderators?
    If so; that's just wrong. He had seven (7) thumps up vs. five (5) thumps down, so it doesn't really make sense.
  • Youarenotspecial
    Youarenotspecial

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    As proven by this review, TSW is not for idiots.
  • TurinAlexander
    TurinAlexander

    Joined: Sep 2006
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    Fanbois are cute.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    Since MMOs require a heavy amount of investment both in time and money their playerbases can teeter toward the realm of fanatical. I remember back when SWTOR came out if you said it wasn't as good as you were hoping you'd be burned like a witch. I've seen a lot of MMOs come and go over the years so I can't say I'm surprised.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    Congratulations, most idiotic, biased Gw2/WoWtard fanboy review bashing this brilliant game. Let me guess, too dumb to solve the quests, needing spoilers?

    Oh, you felt lost and hopeless, didn't the game hold your hand like mommy? Shit I hope WoWtards like this guy stay out of this game, niche games are better than the mainstream medieval cartoon crap anyway. Too bad there are people trusting the reviewers and not trying it out to get their own picture of the game because of jerks like him.
  • CaptainPicard
    CaptainPicard

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 2:06 am
    What is with everyones negativity? Quit bashing the reviewer...GR has the most honest and unbiased reviews out there. There is noone i trust more when it comes to throwing 60 bucks at a game. You should appreciate that someone took the time to write a thorough opinion jackass!
  • time4tiddy
    time4tiddy

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
    Frankly, it sounds like you played the first couple closed betas and then wrote your review. Lack of mob feedback was a complaint early on that has since been addressed, and yes, you definitely know when your attacks hit now. Some zones seemed unpolished... in the first beta. Now, the gameworld is beautiful. The cities are full of npcs walking around and having conversations you can overhear. Not to mention all the players. There are actually not that many kill quests, overall, or at least they are not just whack-a-mole - quests like lure zombies onto mines or trick zombies into jumping off cliffs may be "kill quests" but hardly standard. Looking for Group channel spans servers so you can group up easily, I haven't had more than ten minutes to wait for a group - again, this was not the case in beta. I'm sorry your beta experience was so bad. Come back and actually play the game before giving it this horrible grade.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    TSW has been out for what, 4 days now and there is already nerd raging fanboys for it. Amazing.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    what, that's the guy who gave Diablo3 an excellent rating? Bwa-haha... pathetic.

    That is why I trust metacritic and actual player opinions instead of bribed review sites:
    Metacritic:
    Diablo3 Userscore 3.9/10
    TOR Userscore 5.7/10
    Secret World Userscore 8.9/10

    that's the numbers those titles deserve.

    review sites giving good scores to the best advertising clients. Do the bribes feel good in your pockets?
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  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    Professionals? - you gotta be kidding me; spending less than five hours reviewing an MMORPG isn't professional, that's amateurish. And I'd even say quite embarrassing for a website of this size - ruins it's credibility. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and some people will obviously hate TSW and some will love it; fair and squire. But when a reviewer puts so little effort into a project, it's just sad.

    I've seens tons of less positive reviews on various websites, where I didn't comment, because I could see that the reviewer had actually taken his time, and tried the game properly. This reviewer haven't, and that's why you see so many people complaining.
  • StringerBell86
    StringerBell86

    Joined: Mar 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    I will never trust user-generated reviews. That's like saying we can get our news from people like Perez Hilton and forget about professional journalism.

    Unless metacritic aggregates users AND reviews (with a heavier weight) like Rotten Tomatoes for movies, user-generated reviews/reporting will never be a credible source.

    Sorry
  • sliverstorm
    sliverstorm

    Joined: Jun 2007
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    Holy crap, four new users in a day? Best review ever!!!
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Oh man, the blind rampant fanboy hate on this page takes me back to my Rift review. Good times had by all.

    Have fun, Jonathan.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    Thanks, Josh. Such is the life of a critic.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    The life of a bad critic*
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Wow. That's one hell of a retort. Burn baby burn!
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    Enough to get a silly reply from a writer from this site, apparently.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    I can see why now you gave this review and why you're responding to criticism in the way you are (childishly). You're a bunch of sad amateurs trying to pass off as a professional game review site.
  • time4tiddy
    time4tiddy

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    It's so odd - people throw around "fanboy" any time someone disagrees and they have taken it personally. A "fanboy" declares their favorite game is awesome with no reasoning whatsoever. Most of the so-called "fanboy" responses on this page are actually providing very specific refutations of information provided in the review, such as mobs providing feedback when hit or late-game zones being unpolished. That is not being a "fanboy", that is expecting accurate information from a review. I don't think this is a perfect game or better than all the rest, but I do think it deserves a better score than 50/100. That's basically just bashing a game down so that people won't even try it.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:19 am
    It's ironic that you are trying to telling us what a fanboy is when you are the very definition of a fanboy. 50/100 is the exact score TSW deserves.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    yeah? And this sites methods of reviewing and style of user communication are an insult to game journalism.

    How about disclosing which companies pay your ads? Let's see if there is any correlation between your "reviews" and paying clients
  • PeeDeeJay
    PeeDeeJay

    Joined: Oct 2011
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    Thanks for the review. These others seem to be taking their new cult life a little too serious.
  • Guernica
    Guernica

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    I feel like someone from the secret world dev team made a bunch of accounts here... dam never seen this much hate on a single review. I wonder if these people understand how reviews work? Sometimes a game you love isn't going to be loved by everyone who plays it.

    Good review though. I had basically the same impression of the game from one of the betas I was in. Was gonna give it another try if they ironed it out by now and GR gave it a good review but not surprised to see it didn't quite get to where it needed to be yet. Maybe after a year of patches it will be caught up.
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:43 am
    Mate. The reason you see this much hate, is not because that he doesn't like the game - it's because he didn't give it the time one would except for a review of a MMORPG, and because of that gave it an unfair judgement

    There's so many key-features that isn't even mentioned in this review, and so many stuff that that's factually wrong. He says the later zone clearly isn't as polished, when he obviously only has been in Kingsmouth (perhaps a little of Savage Coast as well), what's up with that? - TSW have had separate teams working on each zone , and that's why they're almost equally polished.

    You even said it yourself; you had the same 'first impressions' from beta - but this is a review, this isn't supposed to be 'a first impression', and that's why people are complaining. People that love their MMORPG, want to see it succeed, so it can live on, and when a reviewer gives so little effort, and just bashes a game, people get frustrated - and that's why you see these comments.
  • Nick_Tan
    Nick_Tan

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:19 am
    You sure? Steam says otherwise. He's logged in more than 20 hours playing the game.
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:35 am
    20 hours you say? - Well, then he might just managed to complete Savage Coast as well then, if he was skipping it all, e.i. no cutscenes, not reading the mission reward text, not caring for lore, very limited amount of investigation missions, etc. he would have managed to get to Blue Mountain as well. But hopefully he didn't skip all that, cause that'd just be playing the game the wrong way. On the other hand, he didn't even try a dungeon - one of the most important aspects of a MMORPG, so he already didn't play the game the way it was meant to. And all this is considering that he didn't have any idle time or having the game open in login screen - because that tracks gaming hours as well.

    So my point being, that less 20 hours just isn't enough for a MMORPG. And he has still only experienced a very small part of the game. Which is fair, but don't call it a review then, and certainly; don't write about things, that clearly is just taken from thin air, and not experienced by reviewer.
  • lolatthisplace
    lolatthisplace

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    WOW 20 HOURS? that is mindblowing.

    Thats like reviewing Diablo 3 after beating it on normal/nightmare.

    Did you guys just get your journalism degrees from the University of Phoenix online?
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    What's a journalism degree?
  • Guernica
    Guernica

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    A review of an MMO that has just been released is always just a first impression. How is he supposed to have spent months playing this game for a review already? This is the reason why mmo's are so shitty to review and why some people do several reviews of one through it's lifetime. I've seen reviews of games at their 10yr anniversary that a praising it to all ends but if you go find the first reviews of it they didn't find near as much enjoyment.
  • Noritama
    Noritama

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
    I agree with the review completely. Played the beta and I got almost exactly the same feeling.
  • time4tiddy
    time4tiddy

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Exactly my point earlier. This review is based off of beta. Which was horrible. The only reason I came back to the game after my first awful beta experience was because I had already pre-ordered. It is night and day different now.
  • CaptainPicard
    CaptainPicard

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 2:11 am
    THIS IS THE GUY WHO REVIEWED FINAL FANTASY 7......GET HIM...lol im just kidding, sucks to see so many people bashing the review. I thought it was great...ill probably wait awhile to play it, maybe it will go FTP
  • daves
    daves

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:15 am
    This is not a review, its just the opinion of the " tester". Just feels as he has played the first map, didnt like the game and put out this "review" without really getting into the game or giving it a chance.
    Its ok that he does not like the game, as it is quite special and not for everybody. but this does not make the game a bad one as his writings and score suggests.
    These 5 days are just to short to test a mmorpg. This one says nothing about group plays, how many are of them how hard they are (inis are a crucial point for mmorpgs so leaving this part out is a huge mistake). Saying crafting play no role in the game is very wrong and just shows again that the "tester" didnt really play the game much. There are just some claims like, pvp is imbalanced without telling you why this is so.... ( in my opionion it cannot be imbalanced , as there are no classes). The later maps arent quite polished? Dont think so. Egypt is just great and Shadowy Forest is my favourite map.....
  • daves
    daves

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:26 am
    its not just another mmorpg.....it cleary stands out of the crowd with new additions to the genre.
    Thats not an opinion but a fact, looking at the things it does different or new things it offers....

    Will it have sucess? we will see but already condemning it to be a failure just shows what this article really is.... an opinion, nothing more.....
  • Kumate
    Kumate

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:41 am
    Mr. Leack - Your review was all over the place and unprofessional. I truly hope that you actually take the time to give the reader actual "meat" to go off of for future reviews. I am going to list a few things that you clearly are just not understanding from the mass negative post on your review.
    -You spoke of combat, but never explained how it was introduced to the player. You assumed everyone played beta like you. There is an entire instance subway tutorial that you failed to mention as it explains THE starting storyline to the player.
    -You compared it to a game currently in Beta. Which showed pure bias right from the start.
    -You said PVP was not even worth mentioning. This assume that EVERYONE PVP's like you and only your way is worth mentioning since this clearly did not have what YOU wanted. There are free for all PVP zones in every starting city, 2 10v10 Battlegrouns, and a 150v150 battleground that has permanent server benefits for the winning faction.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    forget it, move on with this site and dont give them any more clicks to get more ad money.
    This amateur joke review site is now on "ignore"
  • Kumate
    Kumate

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:47 am
    Continued....The PVP is lagless unlike how it was in beta. Which I assume is the only thing you actually tried.
    -You said the later zones are clearly unpolished and this is 100% false. There are actually more bugs in the first couple of zones because they tried to change things up to improve the starter experienced. The later zones are actually MORE polished. You did not even get to the future zonesexcept in beta. You failed to mention that during the last 3 weeks of closed beta they unlocked a lot of content later (they didnt want to spoil the game for the beta testers). Mainly because you probably didnt know and werent playing then. But you assumed and put it in your review.
    -Finally you made a comment of being lost while questing on what to do next. But you compare it to skyrim where you state that it's a sandbox and you can do what you want. How does that make sense to you? But here is a funny thing, why dont you open the MAP. Funcom didn't hide ANYTHING from you.
  • Kumate
    Kumate

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:53 am
    Continued...- On this "Map" That you were to lazy to open, it show these little white circles with a picture of an icon that represents a person. If you go to one of them on the map....they have quest there! OMG. There are no "secret" quest. Every story quest are at those locations and those ONLY. There are some pick up quest in between those location for you to even pick up along the way to ENSURE you have plenty to do and plenty of places to go. I am sorry that you have to open the map by hitting "M" after you are done completing a quest.

    I would give the game a 4 out of 5. He was rightthe combat needs some tweeking but its basically like WOW and the character creation needs more. They already announced that the CC will be reworked and tied into the storyline by August. The rest of it is really well polished and thought out. Unlike this review. Please next time actually try the game for more then a few hours. Also cover things even if YOU didn't like them.
  • Loggrim
    Loggrim

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 8:06 am
    It's pretty easy to call people fan boys and be hyper defencive of your own writting. If you cant seperate good criticism from hate mail, that's a problem. It's a pretty bad review. Very short, wrong on several facts and overfilled with personal opinion and what sounds like bias. You said it yourself its your job to help people know where to put their money... wouldn't you say large parts of that are doing a good job and being objective? This review is extremely lacking, I hope people are willing to seek out real reviews before deciding to purchase or not.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 8:52 am
    The review isn't short at all. If anything, there are a few other negative aspects to say about this game that were left out. He did a fantastic job at helping people know where to put their money. 2.5/5 isn't a bad score, there are clearly redeeming qualities in the game otherwise it would be a 1. These redeeming qualities are noted in the review. The review (and the 2.5 score) basically says if you are a fan of the genre and are looking to try something different, The Secret World is a decent option. However, there are much better options available in the genre. It's a fair score, and describes the game perfectly. Keep registering on here and flaming trolls, no one is taking any of you seriously.
  • Loggrim
    Loggrim

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
    You are being a troll. Berating everyone who comments.
    But I trust that it is you, dumpweed, that people are disregarding.
    Have a nice day.
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  • Bandilazino
    Bandilazino

    Joined: Dec 2009
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 9:24 am
    I honestly really enjoy the game. No feedback in the combat? Not really sure what you're looking for as there is quite a bit of active dodging and with the right combo of abilities you can completely lock people down in pvp or be a powerhouse with useful utility in pve instances, which are fun. Running around questing I could see it, you just spam an aoe ability and any normal packs die after 4-5 casts. Lifeless world I can agree with also. I would prolly give it a 3.5 and suggest more pvp'ing/instances on your part. Also Diablo 3 is meh to me, just burned out once I hit Inferno and also really did not care for SWTOR. To each their own, but I really feel you should do more pvp/try more instances to help with your views on the combat.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 9:39 am
    Made an account (that I hope I can delete after; this site isn't worth it) just to chime in on your 'review'. Or rather, your lack of one. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a 'fanboy' of the game. I realize there's a lot of issues that need to be addressed, and that the game is nowhere near perfect. But your review is downright insulting. 5 out of 10? How is the game SO bad that it deserves such a low score? Meanwhile you're giving games like SWTOR and Diablo 3 higher scores? Not to mention the fact that you reviewed a brand new MMO basically the day of release, which is always a sign that you basically have no idea how to do proper reviews. Anyone who can thoroughly 'review' an MMO the first day of released is heavily biased. Period. And you obviously don't like the game. Well, that's nice. But don't expect anyone to take you seriously. I had to laugh when you say "TSW stands little chance as other sub games offer so much more". Oh really, such as?
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Worthless post. Next!
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 9:43 am
    Well, my assumption has been proven!

    Here's the proof:


    Our reviewer was creative enough to use his lastname as nickname, so I could find him in TSW's character database. He didn't even reach rank 3 in his Faction (which opens up for the first Faction mission - a very cool one), and that just shows he didn't play the game at all. Most people get to rank 3 in late Kingsmouth to middle Savage Coast.
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Seems like it wouldn't let me post the link; hopefully this is better, just remove the four spaces.

    chronicle . thesecretworld . com/character/Leach

    Since I posted my previously post, the Chronicle has been taken down. It's still in beta, so it's up and down from time to time - if it's like last time, it should be up again soon.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am
    No one cares. You are invalid.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:22 am
    Two things:

    1) My last name isn't Leach.
    2) My character's name doesn't include my real-world name, so whoever's profile you're looking at isn't mine.

    If you're having such a good time playing the game then why are you spending such an enormous amount of time flaming my review? You could spend that time on something positive such as progressing your character or helping someone out in-game.

    Just an observation.
  • MrCaldulius
    MrCaldulius

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    Mate; why even try? - it is your character. 100%. It even has the same abilities as on your first screenshot. -/+ one or two, but that makes sense since you probably changed them a little on your way. Furthermore it was also a Templar, as seen on your PVP screenshot. If it isn't, go ahead; post a screenshot. - and don't give me the excuse, that you won't bother. It takes less than a minute.

    It might not be your last name; fair enough. I don't know of course. But the doesn't change the above fact.

    Regarding your observation. What is your definition of 'enormous'? Mine is that it's at least more than a hour, e.i. I don't spend an enormous amount of time here. Five or how many posts I've made doesn't take that long. So I spend plenty of time on playing the game and helping players. Oh, and trolling? - I'm rather counter-trolling; your entire review was one big troll.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:53 am
    "Our reviewer was creative enough to use his lastname as nickname, so I could find him in TSW's character database"

    That was your "proof", which was false. Yet you still try to keep it going.
    "Mate; why even try?"
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:05 am
    I diagnose MrCaldulius with psychosis
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:19 am
    The first screenshot was taken toward the beginning of my experience and I no longer use handguns. I'm a Witch Hunter (or at least trying to be) with focus on Blades and Hammers. I wonder what this Mr. Leach is using.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Mr. Leach is a noob! lol
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
    So what is your test characters name and we check out if you are telling the truth. Chronicle is another great feature you did not mention by the way.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am
    I feel like I started an avalanche of hate, simply by making a statement about reviews.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Don't worry about it. The Secret World's community is obviously vocal. Being open to criticism is part of being a video game reviewer. Although some of these comments are just plain inflammatory, it's nice to hear a variety of opinions. It makes for great discussion assuming nobody's feelings are hurt
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
    You kicked off the show :). Don't worry though, this is helping to pass the time while being bored in Algebra class.
  • TheJx4
    TheJx4

    Joined: Jun 2011
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    I don't see how, as I wasn't really complaining about the content and validity of the review itself...
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Read my reply to your original post, then read Jonathan's reply. The replies to your post weren't about the actual review, just like yours. You stated that MMO's shouldn't be reviewed after launch, and we stated why they should.
  • Sourdeez
    Sourdeez

    Joined: Feb 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am
    Thank you for this review. I played it in beta and tried to warn people about how bad it really was as it was about to release. I spent the better part of a day on ign trying to convince people that there review of it was full of hot air. Always astonishes me how many people will try to discredit real experience.

    I also spent the better part of that year playing online third person shooter free to plays that year so I had alot to compare to.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Thanks for the comment. If people actually bothered to read Jonathan's review they would discover that TSW is a decent game, and for fans of the genre is a good option. Compared to other titles in the genre however, TSW has numerous design flaws. They are glaringly obvious. The 2.5 score is a perfect score for the game; it has good qualities, and bad qualities.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    So, I read the review. I realize all reviews are by definition, colored by the opinions of the reviewer. And I certainly know better than to argue with opinion -- not every game appeals to every person. But I do have to ask just how well you played the game as there seem to be several factual errors. 1) You are missing the point with the quests. They are designed to be more freeform and require thought and even *gasp* research at times. That may not be for you, but it does not automatically make them bad or even boring quests. There is a great mixture of different types of quests most with an underlying story that contributes tothe overall feeling and tone of the Secret World. 2) Even with a powerful rig you'll be rolling with low framerates -- I what is probably a moderate rig 4g ram, I5 processor, medium ATI card -- and I am rolling with 45+ fps consistently, usually 60.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    continued....
    3) Hard to find a group. Did you try? I see groups forming all the time and have been a part of at least 5 groups that just formed spontaneously to complete quests. The UI has given me zero problems. Although I do realize this is bordering on opinion.
    4) A score of 2.5 seems to represent a very bad game. While you may not find this game to your liking, 2.5 seems unusually harsh for a game that has a very nice environment and feel to it. An underlying story that is interesting if you pay attention and an extremely stable launch (minus a few bugged quests). TERA gets a 4? And this gets a 2.5? Explain that. TERA has great combat, but is extremely shallow otherwise and never gave me the feeling of 'drawing me in'. I feel you have done TSW a disservice.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Oh, is it possible for you to post a screenshot with /played on your main character? As mentioned in the thread on the official forums -- this would be a great way to validate how much testing you have given the game.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    You obviously don't know how to read. Read my comment directly above your first one, or better yet, read Jonathan's review instead of skipping to the score at the bottom. 2.5 isn't a bad score considering all the problems this game has. It's too bad that fanboys like yourself want a perfect score otherwise you rage.
  • daves
    daves

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    some reviews are best left unread
    to say it in his words
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    So are some comments.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    xDumpWeedx,
    My reading comprehension is fine. I read the review several times and found several errors that do not reflect the actual game play experience.
    I see that in the absence of any other argument you pull at the 'fanboy' comment. I had no expectations for this game and I certainly don't believe it rates a perfect score. It doesn't rate a 2.5 either.
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  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    And what about if we consider all the comments you're spewing out? Belittle and insult everyone who disagrees with the review and thank and congratulate everyone who agrees with it. You're a professional brown-noser, we get it.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    I have no problem with people who are giving a balanced opinion of the game. You and numerous others however, are fanboys demanding a perfect score. The game isn't even close to perfect, yet all you fanboys do is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH whenever a reviewer writes an honest article that you don't agree with. So guess what fanboy? GET OVER IT. The MetaCritic score is staying. Your "perfect" game is having it's stellar score tarnished forever.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    And what about if we consider all the comments you're spewing out? Belittle and insult everyone who disagrees with the review and thank and congratulate everyone who agrees with it. You're a professional brown-noser, we get it.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    LOL every time I refresh the page, my last comment multiplies. Get your site in order, people.
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
    Shit! What happens if we get water on you? Or feed you past midnight? How do you feel about bright light?
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
    And fix your damn site, the multiplying comment issue is your problem not mine.
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  • StringerBell86
    StringerBell86

    Joined: Mar 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
    so if you hate the site so much.... please, PLEASE go on another site that doesn't make you angry. we don't need your opinions

    I'm all about debate but taking stabs at the entire staff based on one review is a logical fallacy: the sum of the whole equals the sum of its parts. Ridiculous man.
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    They're taking stabs at their users who have criticism. That's what's ridiculous. If you can't see that that sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable for a site that claims and appears to be a professional review site, then I don't know what to say.
  • StringerBell86
    StringerBell86

    Joined: Mar 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
    I don't agree with that either. I feel that they welcome criticism and debate. The more user-generated content on the site, the more $$$$ web-based companies get in ad revenue, value etc.

    But criticism without backing it up by citing specific examples is what they seem to be criticizing. And when comments take stabs like that, they will elicit a response without a doubt. If you want to make an argument, make a proper one.

    Everyone wants to be heard but if you just want to engage in mudslinging, then we DO NOT need to hear you. (I'm speaking generally... not taking a direct stab at you Ebon)
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    If you had any experience with this site, you would know that "sane" people aren't our demographic.
  • CaptainPicard
    CaptainPicard

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:54 am
    Gizmo KAKA!
  • Anthony_Severino
    Anthony_Severino

    Joined: Oct 2010
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    Thank god someone got my Gremlins joke. This guy thinks I'm making fun of him, but all I'm doing is trying to lighten the mood with some good ol' late-'80s movie humor.

    Too much rage over this review. You would think that these guys - if the game was as good as they claim - would be playing the game, not whining about a middle of the road review. It's not even a poor score - it's a 2.5 out of 5, a 5 out of 10, a 50%. That's halfway.
  • EpicPeon
    EpicPeon

    Joined: Apr 2009
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
    I'm enjoying this game alot. To me it just sounds like the reviewer wasn't into the theme of it, but gave a fair review besides that. Combat is a bit lackluster, but I think the diversity in weapon/ability builds makes up for that. Someone who absolutely loves the scary/modern atmosphere and the change of pace from themepark style MMO's would of course have a higher opinion despite it's flaws. I wasn't into it at first either but by Kingsmouth my opinion changed drastically, and I was saying "Wow" every 5 minutes. This is a game changer, for sure. If nothing else it deserves a look for trying to do something different, and mostly succeeding. A 3-7 day free trial would be nice for those on the fence. :)
  • CaptainPicard
    CaptainPicard

    Joined: Sep 2010
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:57 am
    This is the first comment thats made meel feel like trying the game. Well put :)
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:21 am
    Thumbs up.
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    Amazing someone came in that late in the discussion (retread flaming) with something that also made me want to try this game. Too bad it's not F2P.
  • Daddio
    Daddio

    Joined: Nov 2008
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    All you b!tchers can go fvck yourself. For real.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    It just seems to me that the reviewers should try to be in touch with the gaming community. It's nice that fan reviews are now available for comparison.
    Our Reviewer Gives diablo 3 a 4.5/5 and TSW a 2.5/5.
    People playing the games (based on metacritic user reviews) give diablo 3 a 3.9/10 and TSW an 8.8/10.
    I've played both and.... I agree with the gaming public.
    Enough sai d .
  • ebon
    ebon

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    There's nothing wrong with having their own opinions. The problem is the clear heavy amount of bias in this review, the lack of actual in-depth explanations of why it deserves a 5/10, and the lack of actual in-game experience to be able to say that you've fairly given it enough time to make a sound conclusion about it. That combined with the fact that the reviewers and moderators of this are literally berating and insulting their users just proves they have no idea what they're doing.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    I am not a reviewer/moderator or affiliated with Game Revolution in any way. I am just a common user who likes to lay the smack down on trollish fanboys. Your metacritic score is tarnished forever, suck it noob!
  • NecroWolf
    NecroWolf

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    This the most entertainment I've had all day. I don't think I've ever seen this kind of reaction to a review on here. Damn Jonathan, what'd you do, go take their lunch money and beat up their grandmother? Yikes. Nice review, I'll definitely steer clear of this one.
  • scorpviper69
    scorpviper69

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 7th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    I find it funny that one review can cause this much trouble. LOL the game must be full of nothing but raging teens. Good enough for me to stay away from it.
  • Grayewolf
    Grayewolf

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:24 am
    Legitimate critics don't take to their own comment seconds like toddlers with hurt widdle feewings every time someone dares to not to participate in their tiny echo-chamber of butt kissers. A lot of online video game reviewers are just 25 year old adolescents, though, and ten or fifteen repeat posters who routinely agree with them in a comments section is about the only professional recognition they're ever going to get and they know it. GamingRevolution is a never-was, never-will-be in a "profession" with a vomit inducing sleaze level surpassing that of Columbian scat porn.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:26 am
    This is a direct copy-paste from a thread in the TSW forums. Lazy troll is lazy.
  • Grayewolf
    Grayewolf

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:28 am
    Oh look, a Game Revolution fanboi. How is it in the echo chamber?
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:49 am
    You fanboys from the TSW forums are downright sad. You guys are LITERALLY crying yourself to sleep every night over this review. I'm not even joking either. The crying over the metacritic score is pathetic. Cry Cry Cry baby let it all out! Cry nice and hard. Now, doesn't that feel better? Go buy a couple boxes of kleenex for you and take some back to the TSW forums with you so your fellow fanboys can have a circle jerk together in mommy's basement.
  • daves
    daves

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 3:39 am
    Dumpweed the funny thing is that youre doing the same. While the fans of the game are defending the game and thus critizising the review, youre defending the review and critizising the posts defending the game and critizising the review. The only difference is that the fans bring in some real arguments while youre just flaming and insulting them.
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  • lolatthisplace
    lolatthisplace

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Dumpweed is obviously a 14 year old that has his mouth permanently attached to these guys scrotums.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
    awwwww did poor babys feelings get hurt? Go ask mommy if she has a pacifier for you. cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy poor baby, get all the hurt and anger out of you. cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • daves
    daves

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    if nothing else at least youre funny
  • NecroWolf
    NecroWolf

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 6:20 am
    If you go over to the TSW forums, people are acting butthurt over this review. They're crying like man-children. It'd be more funny if it wasn't so tragic... The funny thing is they're saying you insulted them, berated them, and apparently went as far as to stab them in the -soul-! Of course, I'm looking at the comments section, and I don't see any insults... Most of the insults I see are from these new 'posters', I see one or two maybe-kinda-sorta-insults from the GR staff, but those are in response to offensive posts from fanboys.
    I love how the TSW people are being so one-sided about this. Ah, right, I forgot, the internet hates it when you retort to some of their childish insults, silly me.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 7:02 am
    Posting a /played just reinforces that he spent time in the game and gave a fair and accurate review of his experience. Doesn't seem like it is asking for the world or attacking anyones integrity. I just fail to see how anyone who plays the game for any length of time would be able to make some of the statements he made. /shrug. Doesn't seem like an entirely unreasonable request. And no reason to resort to namecalling (Troll). I registered and posted not to Troll, but to voice a reasonable concern that this review is not accurate. Is that not allowed without being called a name? I haven't disparaged anyone.
  • DonRafael
    DonRafael

    Joined: Mar 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
    Damn! I mean... Damn!
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    Diablo 3 has fun gameplay and I'm yet to meet a person who didn't find it worth the price tag. I think you're forgetting that Diablo 3 has no subscription fee while TSW has a monthly fee and an optional item shop. Anybody can quit Diablo 3 and then come back later after content patches have come in without paying an additional cost. The same can't be said for TSW.

    I don't love SWTOR, but it has way more features than TSW, a more engrossing atmosphere and better combat. Our score on the site reflects this.
  • Irx
    Irx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 3:08 am
    "I don't love SWTOR, but it has way more features than TSW, a more engrossing atmosphere and better combat. Our score on the site reflects this."
    Wow, just wow. :D
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    Well, just for the record. I would state that you have now at least encountered a person who felt that Diablo 3 was not worth the pricetag and was vastly disappointed with the game. It's shallow and has a horrible lack of content that is masked by playing the same areas over and over again. If you look at the user reviews across the internet, there are a lot of people out there that feel the same...
  • loledhard
    loledhard

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Thank you Jonathan for this review and keeping readers of this website out of The Secret World.
    It's rated M, for mature and requires some brain activity to play it. They wouldn't like it anyway, and TSW player base is better of without them.
    Last, but not least. The comment section is pure comedy gold.
    And this site fun boys deserve big L O L.
    Thx for the laughter boys. Please stay away from The Secret World.

    Peace.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    We will, don't worry. It's a buggy and mediocre game and deserves a score lower than 2.5/5 imo. Myself, and every other non-fanboy will stay far away from a below-average game requiring a subscription fee. Have fun circle jerking the other 5 fanboys who play TSW, I'm sure maybe one day they will let you be stop being the biscuit.
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Appreciated. Can you also inform dumbweed kiddos like yourself to do the same?

    Have fun with... whatever you have fun with.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    yeah sure, PvP hardly worth noting? TSW got three faction 75vs75vs75 with different objectives, that is not worth noting?

    Dead lifeless worlds? But handing out TOR a nearly 100% score for the dead worlds those lazy devs threw at the market.


    also I wonder what kind of a cheap setup he uses for testing, running TSW here easily at DX11 1920x1080 with ultra settings, tesselation, AAHQ on a GTX 570 AMP at framerates of 40-47fps.


    They don't even post their specs and say "don't use DX11"? Pathetic and misleading
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    We gave SWTOR a 3.5/5 which is far from nearly a 100%.

    My PC specs are the following:

    CPU: Phenom X4 965 OC'd @ 3.8GHz/core
    Memory: 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
    GPU: GeForce GTX 570
    PSU: Corsair TX650M
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
    OS: Windows 7 64-bit
    Case: Corsair Graphite 600T
    Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p LED Backlit LCD
    2nd Monitor: HP 21" 2009m
    Mouse: Steelseries Sensei/Razer DeathAdder
    Keyboard: Razer Lycosa
    Mouse Pad: SteelSeries QcK

    All you had to do was ask.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    hey look how those shills delete comments! lol

    cant answer factual questions?
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    hey look how those shills delete comments! lol

    cant answer factual questions?
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    The only comments removed were the ones where you posted the same exact thing six times in a row, and I left the first one you posted.
  • Djbril
    Djbril

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    Ha. I had to reply to this. I am new, but I've read GR since the beginning. Look, it's a review. And the reaction has really given a lot of people a good laugh. I haven't played the game, but I am incredibly interested as to why it really matters what he said? If the game is that good, why defend it? Basic psychology states that you're defending it-simply-because you see the indiscretions and choose to ignore them. That is, until they're blatantly brought up and exposed.

    I am also confused as to why, if everyone else is giving a good review, and Jon gave it a negative review, you'd listen? The simple law of averages, it would seem, is reverse from how it should be.

    One negative review has effectively destroyed the integrity of the game? I fail to see why you would take the time to bash the review? It's a review. Agree, or disagree--but if you play the game, why do you care what he thinks? Did you develop it? Do you have a personal, binary, and codependent
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    because someone at the TSW forums posted this review for laughs and the majority of players raged and facepalmed about this "professional" reviewer.
    As an alleged "pro reviewer" not mentioning the stellar crafting, not mentioning 75vs75vs75 PvP, not mentioning single server technology, not mentioning the chronicle feature, pretending the DX11 performance would be bad and the obligatory fanboi nod to the dated cartoony fantasy crap like Guildfail2 / WoW.

    Empty statements like "other products offer so much more". Which products? What do they offer? And where is the bullet point comparison to TOR's technical specs I asked for and got deleted? This guy knows nothing and that cheap review is the best prove for it.
  • Djbril
    Djbril

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    reliance on the game? Just move on from this review and enjoy your game lolI really had to laugh at the pure, base cultism and fanaticism this review has created.
  • Jammyn
    Jammyn

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    It's not that it was a negative review. Plenty of other reviewers have commented on the negatives of the game -- and I'm not denying that there are negatives. It is that the review seems (careful not to insult anyone here) poorly thought out and not reflective of the game on a FACTUAL basis in many areas. The areas of opinion are obviously not open to argument. I think that is what has raised the ire of TSW players. Not that the review is negativethat's fine, not everyone likes it /shrug. It's that the review seems unusually negative based on poor facts.
  • De-Ting
    De-Ting

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
    This review currently has 135 comments.

    O face.
  • NecroWolf
    NecroWolf

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    I know, its amazing. Should I post a childish rant again? It's been awhile since I have, and I'm starting to feel outclassed here.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
    Lol. The really sad thing is that these fanboys are showing all the readers that it's more fun trolling a game review than actually playing TSW. I can't blame them really, TSW is a low quality and extremely boring game.
  • GuerillaMatzilla
    GuerillaMatzilla

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    Wow at the comments! This is the most I've seen for a review in such a short time. I was hoping this game would turn out to be decent as I liked a lot of the concepts they had in mind. I'd love to get an updated review once the flames die down, especially if it becomes f2p. ...so disappointed in APB at launch, still haven't tried again even tho f2p
  • Lenin17301
    Lenin17301

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    Perhaps this review needs and extended cut DLC to calm down the anger it provoked LOL, but, to be serious, I kinda understand the rage of TSW fans reading this review, simply because they know GR 99.9% of the time (maybe even 100%) is telling the truth about the game they are reviewing, without any compromises to advertisers or pandering to developers, so if GR says a game sucks, that has more weight than any other site saying the same thing.
  • Lenin17301
    Lenin17301

    Joined: Jan 2007
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    That being said, even if GR gives a bad review to a game I enjoy, I would still play that game, no matter what the reviewer says, so I think all the TSW fans constantly replying to this review should simply forget it, move on, and keep enjoying the game as they apparently do.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 8th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    Thanks for the comments.

    I absolutely agree. Just because I didn't like it certainly doesn't mean everyone won't. The best way to find out if the game is for you is to... play it yourself! That said, it's kind of risky just going out and buying a $50 game, so your next option is to look at ALL of the reviews for it. One of my favorite games of all time is Final Fantasy Tactics, but I've heard several people say it sucks. Does that mean I went and harassed them? Nope. We just have a different opinion! :)
  • Guernica
    Guernica

    Joined: Mar 2009
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 7:56 am
    Might try the game again if a free trial comes out because some of the reviews make it look interesting, but none of them make it seem to be worth the money right now. I'll stick with ToR and D3 =P Lots of people hating on those games right now too but I still love both of em =D
  • NecroWolf
    NecroWolf

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:01 am
    It's a trend to hate what is popular, and with some modern gamers, it's a growing trend.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:59 am
    I hear SWTOR has gotten a lot better and while D3 has issues with endgame content, it's a blast to play!
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 9:32 am
    Nothing got better in TOR except they merged people down from their 214 servers to a handful of servers due to subs going down the drain and added a group finder because there were no people left to group with. Fighting symptoms instead of curing that boring linear game.

    TSW has a setup of connected cross server dimensions, Biowares tranfers are as clunky and outdated as TOR's concept and graphics.
    What they didn't improve are the ugly DX9 plastic graphics, blocky Lego shadows, miserable lighting, dead empty corridor planets without day/night/ change, the embarrassing railshooter, meaningless dialogue options, the lag and screen freezes on fleet, hundreds of boring click x container quests, minute long loading screens, exhaustion zones and kneedeep waters without simming.
    Being an ex TOR victim I can safely say TSW is lightyears ahead in comparison.

    Still waiting for someone to explain how TSW deserves a 2.5 if TOR gets a 3.5
    It must be a magic trick.
  • NecroWolf
    NecroWolf

    Joined: Oct 2005
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am
    Well, that's just like, your opinion man.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    The magic trick is you are fanboy RAGING trying to defend TSW's honor. Drop the fanboy act and you will see that TSW deserves a 2.5 or lower.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    TSW can defend itself by being great. Pointing out blatant misinformation on this review is something different. Now go ahead with your cartoon elves MMO playing a dwarf, or whatever else you prefer. You'd probably not be able to solve a single quest in TSW without begging for puzzle solutions in chat, like the poor and confused review guy. As previously stated WoWtards better stay out of TSW, it will do well enough as an alternative niche game, same goes for EvE.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    I absolutely love EVE Online. It's one of my three favorite MMOs of all-time.
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    I'm applauding you for that Lebowski reference, Necro, simply because I tried the exact same comment once and got no love for it.
  • scfs123
    scfs123

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:23 am


    Ya'll should know this sites pretty terrible for MMO reviews, although they do great job on single player games.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:44 am
    Baseless, worthless comment. Try harder next time, troll. 0/10
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Best part is that he doesn't even need to try. You do all the work, proving to others what kind users value this review. Thx again. Keep up the good work.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    I feel like MMORPGs usually get far too high of scores. I distinctly remember how much acclaim Warhammer Online and Star Wars: The Old Republic garnered only to have me quit within the first month along with a lot of other folks. Because of that I'm very cautious when reviewing MMOs and the biggest question I ask myself is if the game has any staying power. In The Secret World's case, the foundation is too weak to support a long life.

    For the record, I'm just like you in the sense that I love MMOs and have spent an enormous amount of time playing them. I can't name another genre that has been more rewarding and entertaining for long periods of time.
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    It's all fine and dandy, that you feel this way. But if you haven't noticed yet, people are having problem with posting an review based on feeling or opinion. If you gave the facts to support your claims no one would ever come and visit this site from TSW... But playing for 20 hours, in which time you could barely leave first zone(if you rushed through it) then stating that other zones are unpolished... You don't know, you didn't s played there. Or PvP not worth mentioning? Why? No time to play it between WoW sesions?
    It's blatant misinformation. And most of TSW fanbase came here with honest and polite questions about. Only to be called fanbois(what kind of insult is that anyway?) and trolls.
    I appreciate keeping ppl who can't think for them selfes out of TSW though. So there is still value to this "review."
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    I don't have problem with opinion, I have a problem with this cocktail of 10% information, 20% misinformation, 30% opinion and 40% leaving out infos and not doing a feature comparison with the so called "similiar products which offer so much more".
    The way this review is written it's just incomplete, lazy and superficial, concluding in a lousy rating.
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    Looking at his last comment it's kinda obvious, that he posted a controversial review of solid game to up traffic on website. It's common practice of "lesser" journalists and newspapers that no one really cares for, but read them for lulz or while taking dump. It's not our place to judge if they chose that road. And if it comes back to bite them in the ass, so be it.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Exactly. The only time a genre matters is when the reviewer doesn't like the particular genre of the game they are reviewing. Jonathan is an MMO fanatic, so that isn't the case here. He has been playing and reviewing MMOs longer than you fanboys have been alive. You fanboys should go cry to MetaCritic about the score, because I can assure you, no one here cares.
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    No need to get so defensive everytime someone posts. Fanboy is not an insult for most ppl since you clearly dont know the meaning of the word. Just thinking it is l33t to call someone like that, cool dude, i get it. And no one is crying here, you overestimate the value of this review. Only one it has it's keeping players like you away from it. We just comment here to set things straight for any person that get lost and find this site, like we did. Have a nice day.
    Peace.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    The things I've seen...

    I was lost in the woods feeling a deep sense of despair. I couldn't feel my legs, my hands were shaking with fear. I was about to give up when out of the blue appeared a giant... GAMEREVOLUTION.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    You didn't get lost and find this site. You and other fanboys were crying in The Secret World forums and made a thread about this review. Seriously, go cry to MetaCritic you fanboy crybaby. Try to convince them to get the score removed, because no one here wants to hear your constant crying. FANBOY!
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    That's what i call "getting lost." And you confuse crying, with laughing. We LOL at you in TSW thread. MetaCritic score is fine as it is. Why we would want it removed? Your lacking some basic trolling skills.
    All i hear is" Waaaah, waaaah! I'm angry kid. I would never be able to afford sub based game, all my pocket money from my mommy go on weed. Waaah!"
    Good one. Thx. For the laughter again. Your golden.
    Post some more monkey.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    I've read your thread on TSW, and it's nothing but crying. You seriously need a dictionary because you don't know basic word definitions. You are so angry all you do is cry on this review day after day. If the game was so fun, how about you go play it instead of crying? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH crybaby!
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    This wasn't so great... Nothing about Fanboys?
    Try adding more: "WAAAAAAH! Crybaby!" And more fanboi comments. Common, be creative.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    Too busy playing Borderlands. Later noob!
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    Shame.... Take care.
  • trollhater
    trollhater

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 13th, 2012 at 6:13 am
    who is this guy ? who the **** are you ? a professional troll ?
    every single comment you post is full of ****
    you talk a lot about fanboys but you must be Jonathan's blind fanboy N°1, you jump and smack talk on anyone who disagrees with his review, pathetic
  • trollhater
    trollhater

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 13th, 2012 at 6:15 am
    who is this guy ? who the **** are you ? a professional troll ?
    every single comment you post is full of ****
    you talk a lot about fanboys but you must be Jonathan's blind fanboy N°1, you jump and smack talk on anyone who disagrees with his review, pathetic
  • cameronowns
    cameronowns

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Way to remove my comment Jonathan. Why not retract that paragraph instead of censoring me? I said nothing that was insulting our out of line yet you leave all of these juvenile arguments and hate speech. Your review is factually inaccurate on several accounts. I point that out. I get deleted. This is highly unprofessional. I will be emailing your supervisors.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    I've only removed comments that were duplicates. You need to relax.
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    His supervisor is the one telling "fanboys" - "Burn bayby! Burn!"
    So you may want to rethink that xD
    But to give this site justice. It would be a good read if i've found it when i was fifteen. Silly humor, hilarious posters and reviewers, who are just as silly their audience. I would love it, honestly and it's not a sarcasm. TSW just can't fit in here, it's not "that kind of game."

    Peace.
  • Demosthenes
    Demosthenes

    Joined: Aug 2006
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
    Just to clear things up for you my friend. DUMPWEED is not a supervisor here. You'll note that Jonathan and Anthony have red outlines around their posts, indicating their status as employed staff on the website. While DUMPWEED and myself don't, indicating we are merely users of the site. Neither Jonathan, Anthony or any other employee on this site has been anything but polite to you and everyone else on here. Thankfully as a user I am under no obligation to act with such decorum :D

    Also, if everyone would like to enrol in this course
  • Demosthenes
    Demosthenes

    Joined: Aug 2006
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm


    Then perhaps you could provide some legitimate criticism of Jonathan's review.
  • Demosthenes
    Demosthenes

    Joined: Aug 2006
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    Dammit, link doesn't work :p It was a link to a paper in introductory logic . . . My witty attack has been foiled!
  • DUMBWEEDxLOLx
    DUMBWEEDxLOLx

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    Yes, i was talking about Tony:
    "Anthony_Severino - Joined: Oct 14, 2010
    Wow. That's one hell of a retort. Burn baby burn!"
    Irrelevant though, and not worth any discusion as i dont find anything but silly.
    Base of all criticism of this review is that he wraped up whole game after playing 20 hours. Commenting about unfinished later zones, when he clearly couldn't advance to any but third zone in that time. Assuming he skipped majority of the quests and "esc" through all cinematics. Theres more, but i can understand that this review is directed to the crowd that read this website. I'm sure the reviewer knows them alot better than i'm, and has good reasons to put the score like that for them.
  • cameronowns
    cameronowns

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    Then where is my original comment?
  • cameronowns
    cameronowns

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
    Then where is my original comment?
  • Bandilazino
    Bandilazino

    Joined: Dec 2009
    Posted: Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    What in the name of William H Macy is going on here?! o.O I'm ridiculously open minded but do try to get people to see why thing 1 in game A is appealing to me, you didn't give it a garbage score like some people are flipping their **** over. 2.5/5 may translate to 50 if you wanna be all math about it, but on GR I would look at it as more of a ~60-70? And I have enjoyed plenty of games in that margin. The game has been amazing as far as a good MMO launch goes, aside from some chat-related bugs. But it's not perfect, nothing is. I love someone claiming to not be a butthurt fanboy going so far out of their way as to try and look up your character XD I don't think I have ever seen so many comments in a GR review, the power of hate!
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    Imagine how they would feel about Survivor and The Crow review.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    To anyone who is a complete moron that signed up just to spend time posting negative comments on the review and site, get the Fuck out of here! That's right, I capitalized the word "Fuck," because I spend my time on here and know what's wrong with the site. As you can clearly tell, the word "Fuck" isn't censored when you capitalize it. I say this, because I actually tell the GR Staff what's wrong with the site and what I feel needs to be changed to make everyone happy. I'm not part of the staff, clearly. I'm part of a community that enjoys this site. If you have a problem with the site you don't like, you can make the post in the GRandmasters' forum. They actually do take the time and read your suggestions and comments about the site.

    So, to all you scumbags that are hurt from a complete honest and unbiased review, get the **** out of here! Go read your biased reviews, because you're too ignorant to comprehend what game is good and what isn't.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    yeah sorry, this is the most biased, lazy and uninformed review ever. Next time just write "I hate it and don't know why," and let someone less lazy write it who actually plays the game.
    I've been playing since beta#1 and I don't know what the heck this guy is writing about, it's simply full of BS and lies.
    But he rated 4.5/5 for a zero replayability title like diablo3 bwa-haha... oh my... extremely credible when the user metascore is 3.9/10...
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    I don't think you know what "bias" means. Did you actually take the time and read the review or just the first paragraph? This is a well-informed review. I haven't play this game and I'm sure as hell not going to trust a site like IGN and G4. Most, if not all GR's reviews are well-informed. They're completely honest and unbiased. The staff are getting paid to reveal truth, not getting paid to write a review that favors the developer. Why are you comparing the score to Diablo 3? That's out of context. A game doesn't need replayability (even though it's advised) to be a good game. I have a challenge for you. Write a review as well-informed as this one. Oh, please tell me all about why this game deserves a better score/
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    you don't notice all the empty phrases? PvP hardly worth noting? This is the f******* BEST PVP EVER SEEN IN AN MMO, with realtime status of the secret war between the factions and a buff to all players of the leading faction (including PvE players), a gigantic open world area called Fusang with multiple different objectives, 75vs75vs75, PvE story quests and ranks aquired by succesful participation. Then he is *****ing about low framerates in DX11 which is a flat out lie, or he has a crappy setup from 2007, I'm running here with 45fps at 1920x1080 without any lags. Then this poor guy is complaining about being "lost and hopeless", that is the only phrase I believe. He is definitely lost, hopeless and too incompetent to understand the quest mechanics, or figure out the numerous clues received through cutscenes, the mission journal or ARG style websites you need to use google for.
    But he worships Diablo3, a 12h braindead loot game in multiple difficulty modes. LOL. User metascore 3.9/10
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Never knew anyone that worshiped a game. Did you know, when GR review their game, they're reviewing the game how it is when it first came out and not after title updates and patches?
  • Bandilazino
    Bandilazino

    Joined: Dec 2009
    Posted: Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    I will now be sure to say "flipping their Shit over" instead of ****. I've been coming to this site for.....14 years o.O just not very active in posting.
  • Josh_Laddin
    Josh_Laddin

    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Dammit Ugh you just gave out trade secrets! What the Fuck!
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 6:42 am
    Shit!
    (not spam)
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    What is your test characters name? Chronicle will show show if your progress matches your "in depth" review.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 6:45 am
    You said the word "show" two times LOL.
  • Djbril
    Djbril

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 11th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    But.....but, I'm still so confused. It's a review. Opinion or not, it's still a review. If you don't like, why do you care? You're optimizing GR by acting like they're so important. If you do not think they're important, then this review should now matter. They've proven journalistic integrity simply because you CARE they gave a negative impact. Congratulations, Jonathan, these people have accepted your journalistic integrity simply by continuing this base argument.

    But, all GR should take away from this is that you think they are important enough to make an impact. Good, i'm glad they finally get their "street cred".

    It's still just one review--by the way, those who said metacritic makes a different,

    Metacritic is strictly influenced by the powers that be. Stop being naive and grow up. So he didn't elaborate on some points, good lord.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 6:54 am
    Someone that actually joined four days ago and didn't argue about the review. Thank you very much. I'm sure if you noticed, I'm arguing back, because it's funny seeing the responses when I clearly don't give a **** about this game, because I don't own a PC. However, I do defend GR, because I know they're unbiased and these are the types of reviews making me come to this site .
  • Djbril
    Djbril

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 7:57 am
    Regardless as to when I joined I have read GR for a very long time. And I agree with what you're doing completely; because, I too do not quite understand why people are bashing this review when they could be playing the game. I agree with ya, completely Rochester.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    because it''s full of lies and overall an amteurish approach to gamereview journalism. And as long he keeps ignoring the question for his character name to look it up at the secret world chronicle, no one even believes he played the game at all.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:13 am
    you KNOW they are WHAT? Unbiased?? A complete crapcame like SWTOR and that joke Blizzard pulled off with D3 got way higher ratings. This guy is an advertisement sponsored hype marketer, and he is even lying about the ridiculous amount of 20 hours he said he had spent in TSW to write this fake review.
    He knows exactly bullshit about this game, and the fact he is hiding his character name which could be checked out in TSW chronicle is PROVING it.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    Even the comments on this site suck, no one answers questions, the writer does not disclose his character name so the logical assumption is he lied about the 20 hours he played.
    No response on the huge information gaps either. Pathetic.

    ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR CHARACTER NAME SO WE CAN LOOK UP YOUR PROGRESS on the TSW Chronicle.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    I'm pretty sure Jonathan is smart enough not to disclose his character's name. You guys came from another community just to post negative comments on a review, A FREAKING REVIEW. What's to stop you from spamming insults at Jonathan's TSW profile?
  • Djbril
    Djbril

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    After the war you boys started why would he disclose the information and open himself up to even more of your ridicule.

    Don't you have a game you should be playing? Just saying

    and stop liking your own comments. This isn't Facebook.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 12th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    Because people today swallow every crap which is written on the net by some alleged "professional" without doing their own research, this is the actual problem. No matter if you hate the game or not, do yourself a favor and research if there is any substance in what this guy wrote, I can certainly say it is utter BS. Check out how many features he didn't even talk about, like this being the first game with Kepler TXAA supported by nvidias current beta driver or single server technology or the huge PvP warzones and the sandbox crafting. Or the chronicle feature and there is a ton more, like the monthly issues of story updates, first one end of July. I'm not even a reviewer and did more research on the game than this guy, and I'm playing it and having the best time in an MMO ever.
    the fact he does not tell his character name proves that he did not play the game, perhaps checked out the early beta for one hour and then wrote this joke of a review. Disgusting.
  • LawnGnome
    LawnGnome

    Joined: Apr 2007
    Posted: Jul 13th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    Holy crap. Just came over here from the podcast. Can't believe I missed out on this. Anyone else think that almost all the posters here who joined after the review work for Funcom?
  • derb
    derb

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:27 am
    Get a chair, some popcorn and watch the drama
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    Wow. I thought I'd given out a lot of thumbs downs for butthurt comments on one of Heath's write ups....

    Reading this thread today was the best birthday present I got (shameless self-plug).

    I was actually really interested in trying this game if it dropped the antiquated subscription model. After reading these (I'm guessing 3 people with alts) I'm not sure the community is worth it.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

    I had no issues with the community in-game, although General Chat reminded me of Barrens Chat from time to time. That said, I'd recommend holding off until there's a demo or free-to-play weekend.
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    I'll definitely give it a shot when it has a free weekend. And the butthurt fanboys may not believe it, but I'm almost sure that GR will plug that free weekend and that's how I'll find out about it.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    When Funcom announced that it's free to play I'll be the first person to cover it.

    Okay, probably not, but I'll be typing very fast.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Dec 12th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    As promised I covered the news of TSW going free to play with haste.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    Oh sweet zombie jesus, as a man who loves watching butt-hurt unfold, these comments are like heroin, it's just too much, I had to take a breather, change my pants and get some more electrolytes in me before coming back to enjoy the other half of these half wit comments

    arrrgh you dont like a game that I think is awesome, you must fail argh
    if this is any indication of the player base on this MMO, I wont be playing it

    note that fanboys, this review didn't push me away from this game, you fanatical retards did
  • elmoreoocyte
    elmoreoocyte

    Joined: Apr 2012
    Posted: Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    "note that fanboys, this review didn't push me away from this game, you fanatical retards did "

    Lets be friends.
  • Imnickson
    Imnickson

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 3:55 am
    The same thing happen on other sites that gave it a lower score.

    www.quartertothree.com/fp/2012/07/09/secret-worlds-d​irty-little-secret-is-that-it-doesnt-work-yet/
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 4:55 am
    this is not a factual discussion, this is a bunch of stupid comments rather making fun about actual players pointing out obvious factual errors in the review and the laziness of the reviewer.

    Pointing at the comments above, the reviewer does not discuss the arguments, does not disclose his player character name to check out on crucible, which simply proves the fact he hasn't played the game.

    Butt-hurt by a cheap review on a meaningless site? Hardly.
    Shocked about dishonest amateur journalism? Most definitely.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 6:56 am
    It;s not just one reviewer, others are claiming it's unfinished and unfocused, a quick google search on the secret world sucks actually brings you to TSW's forums... where the topics about complaints have been deleted, but it's users complain the admins here deleted repeated spam...

    you do realize coming here to argue is not going to change anyone mind, just make you look like a butt-hurt fanboy
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am
    Yeah I am totally butt hurt...woohoo well I suggest you google Diablo3 sucks, SWTOR sucks, GW2 sucks and any other game ever in existence, if that is your method of "research"...

    I know TSW and I'm playing with a steadily growing guild and everyone is overwhelmed by the brilliance of the game and the smooth launch, regardless of a few launch questbugs which already got fixed, check out the resubbing thread or numerous thank you funcom threads in the forum, the amazon reviews, the user ratings on metacritic (compare to the catastrophic user ratings of D3 and SWTOR), the secret world megathread on mmo-champion, the reports and comments on mmorpg-dot-com and the majority of very good reviews.

    This review is crap, the reviewer is an amateur, a liar and completely incompetent, end of story.

    Now stop replying, and being butt hurt because no one is able to invalidate facts.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    tell me to stop replying because I'm butthurt? I've been coming here for 12 years to discuss games, you came here angered over a review of a game you like, and want to tell everyone how wrong it is, but of course, I'm butt-hurt...

    It's cute you and your little friends go around thumbing down comments, it must give you some feeling of pride or something, to everyone else, no one cares, you kids are just in a **** storm. Infact, all you're doing is feeding this site traffic, which seems counter-productive to your goal

    Diablo 3 has a 88 on meta critic
    TSW has a staggering, amazing, near perfect 73

    And I wont bother taking reader reviews seriously, seeing as you retards flooded this site because it gave it a average-mediocre score, I highly doubt you would be able to stop yourself from scoring 10's across the board

    what facts am I trying to invalidate? It's a fact half of the professional reviewers have scored it 75 or lower, it's a fact that you lot, in a childish rage, spammed this website, it's a fact that you kids can't take the fact someone doesn't like a game you do

    It's also a fact Jonathan Leack has far more respect in this industry than any of you children. he didn't like your cherished game, you know what a mature adult would do? Not care and continue to play

    Also being so deeply involved, do you truly think you have an unbiased opinion on the game? It's like I'm arguing with fox news
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Nice how you're twisting numbers!
    I'm talking about USER ratings, not ratings of paid shill game reviewers:
    Metacritic:
    Diablo3: 3.8 / 10
    TOR: 5.6 / 10
    TSW: 8.5 / 10

    and those are EXACTLY the numbers those titles deserve, in exactly that order. And I've played all three of them. I regret the first two titles though. Seriously, what a rip off D3 and TOR were.

    Don't act like you actually want to discuss TSW, I pointed out several flaws and gaps in the review and surprisingly no one cares that this review is simply a piece of amateur journalism. This pro-reviewer did not post his character name to deliver some evidence that he actually played, most likely he is embarrassed and didn't know it is possible to track every character progress in the TSW online chronicle. Liar caught in the act.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    I never twisted any numbers dipshit, I posted the link where it shows professional reviews from metacritic, have TSW scored lower than D3... you just keep spouting numbers based on reviews you and your halfwit friends have bumped up with bias reviews

    who's really twisting the numbers asshat
  • Imnickson
    Imnickson

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
    I rarely take user scores into consideration when I am looking into a game. Most of the 9-10's are people who payed for the game so of course they are going to say it's the best thing ever and most of the 1-4's are people who didn't even play the game but they feel the need to prevent other's from doing so.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    Metacritic counts this troll review in the "professional critic" section, Captain Obvious. Quite amusing.

    All that counts in reality are user scores. Diablo3 and TOR are the biggest fails in the history of videogaming and TSW should receive an award for the IQ requirement, neither the reviewer nor most of the commentators here seem to meet.

    Anyway good for the game if WoWtards, Diablo3 Fanbois and TORtanic passengers stay out of TSW.

    /thread
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    user reviews mean sweet **** all, a game like TOR or D3 are going to get more trolls on them because they're more popular. TSW doesn't have half their following, so naturally the user reviews by a fanatical fanbase is going to end up higher.

    What you're arguing is akin to saying "I don't trust food critics, I stand by yelp because... well I can't give you a consistent reason other than saying professional reviews are trolls and paid off... by who I don't know... obviously there's a conspiracy going on"

    The only troll her is you, you're a tool, so what, someone doesn't like your favourite game, you got so asshurt by someone else's opinion you had to go sign up on their website and call them a troll.

    you figured them out though. GR over a decade ago, foresaw TSW coming out, and knew they had to do something to lower the MetaCritic score by a whopping 4 points. So they took action, they established a reputable website, and after thousands of reviews, the time was nigh to strike, in a cold calculated plan, they wrote a review and..... didn't say the character name, the bastards! They would have gotten away with it to if it weren't for you meddling kids and your dog
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 4:43 am
    Look, I got it, the majority is too retarded to play TSW, the dumbness of the average gamers also killed brilliant classic point and click adventures years ago. Go play your 1996 graphics "lewt game" Diablo3 and feed Blizzard and their paid advertisement shills for all eternity, pal. Or go for some months of dailies in TOR to grind for their stupid looking crap armor until they rise the level cap in a couple of months, making your grinded crap worthless. Today sub-par gamedesign sells better than quality because of fat idiots playing games while watching American Idol and stuffing their fat asses with Doritos. Enjoy being the target audience!
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 8:47 am
    It's cute you assume I must play TOR or WOW or D3, I don't care for any of those three. more specifically I don't enjoy the majority of MMO's. You claim that people aren't smart enough to play TSW, but I find most MMO players to be fairly poor in terms of intelligence, when compared to those who play say, racing sims.

    The only MMO I enjoy or play is EVE, if you want to suggest that is a game for morons, I'll have to visit the hospital for the broken ribs I'll receive from laughing so much. This isn't a case of intelligence, the game didn't resonate with this reviewer, or half the other professional reviewers.

    And not that it's a factual point, but if the game was really "too smart hur hur" for the majority, would that not be a point against it when being reviewed by a professional website, as they have to give a verdict on wether or not the masses would enjoy it?

    Go enjoy your game, quit wasting your time here. You continue to claim facts, but can't accept most reviewers, even those who gave it a positive score, state the controls and combat feel "floaty" and that the writing, while ambitious, routinely fails to deliver.

    But apparently I'm just an idiot, because I'm not able to plug my ears and ignore any honest criticism of the game.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    Fine, that is one point for you, I have been playing EvE for more than three years until it got too timeconsuming. Still spending the occasional PLEX when a new update gets released.
    Yes, I hate any other MMO I tried, namely TOR, WoW and Gw2, as well as the abomination that is Diablo3 (4.5 of 5 on this fabulous site) although pretty much everyone hates that crappy game.
    Anyway, Secret World is the best piece of game software which entered the game market since EvE, period.
    I mentioned a list of things not even talked about in the review, other areas which were not covered objectively, and the author lied about his playtime since he was unable to disclose his testcharacter name.
    Therefore this "pro review" is not worth more than a post in a random game forum by a common hate troll. Definitely not worth counting to the "professional critics" score on metacritic.
    It's incomplete, biased and dishonest, therefore MY professional review of this site and the author is a 0/10. Simple as that.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I've never seen a review where the reviewer states his characters name, nor would I expect him to with childish folk like you frothing at the mouth for a chance to berate him.

    This review is not a troll. If he signed up on your website and declared "this game suxxors", yes he'd be a troll. He reviewed a game for this website, put down his thoughts, thoughts you disagree with, and than you came over here to troll.

    All you've managed to do is paint TSW's fanbase as fanatical, moronic, over-sensitive children. but thanks for giving me that one point, I'll cherish it and hang it up on my fridge.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:38 am
    As I said, if you play EvE you deserve some respect, I stand by that. Although I wonder why you desperately defend the reviewer without knowing TSW. How do you even know if this is review or just a troll post to bash the game? He could have easily taken out the wind of many sails if he had posted his damn testcharacter name, because it is simply not believable he played the game more than one hour. Damn, this guy didn't even know about or mention the TSW chronicle feature and wrote half a sentence about PvP and crafting in this game, and you consider this trustworthy? Puh-lease...
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    By the way, EvE which is absolutely brilliant has a devastating metacritic "professional" score of 69/100 and a much better user rating of 8/10, but both ratings still worse than TSW's.

    Guess CCP also didn't pay enough advertisement bribes.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    CCP advertises on a lot of gaming websites, so that puts holes in your theory. More to the point, it got the grade it deserves, its a great game, but requires a massive time investment and isn't easy to grasp. You don't see me ******** bricks stating reviewers were paid off.

    you ****ing kids act like this is watergate or something
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    It's not watergate, anyway same like in the case EvE, it's sad if brilliant and innovative games like TSW become niche games because of reviewers people trust in, reviewers who are not able to see the revolutionary ideas and innovation in a title and mostly focus on their hate or motivation to hype another game, focus mostly on some small launch bugs which every single game, especially MMOs suffer from. Those reviewers contribute to the stale, generic, dumbed down game market monopoly and people like the reviewer are the ones to blame if developers doing something new and challenging, fail. It didn't happen to EvE because they luckily must have had enough funds to make the game grow and expand.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    So, in your opinion games that aren't easy to grasp and need a massive time investment deserve lower scores?
    Whoa I'd like to see a review on this site of the board game "Chess" then.
    I predict the guy who reviewed TSW would give "Chess" 2 out of 5 points. I bet Chess makes him feel hopelessly lost too. He wouldn't have fun after playing the two hours and everything else about the game would be "not worth noting". Then he would complain that he doesn't like the color of his chessboard and the game is missing a solid foundation. End of Jonathan's "Chess" review.
    Followed by raging comments that he should better get a job as janitor at IGN head office instead of writing game reviews.
  • Icepick
    Icepick

    Joined: Dec 2002
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    Your argument structure for a review of chess is laughable, as it has no context towards your initial point, it's not even worth a rebuttal

    Just **** off kid, I'm not responding after this, it's just not worth the bandwidth, you can't keep a cohesive argument going. If you feel the score should be hire, good for you, go establish your own website and tell everyone your opinion, but quit trying to **** on others because their views and what pleases them differs from yours.
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    I used FOUR actual quotes from the above review, in case you didn't notice. And the fact you are butt hurt about this perfect analogy proves my point.
    /thread
  • Captiosus
    Captiosus

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Crucible - Here's your argument in a nutshell:
    "Professional reviewers are paid shills! User reviews are smart and anyone who disagrees is a retard!"

    Let me display just how idiotic that argument is with one simple phrase: Mass Effect 3 Review Bombing.

    You complain about professional reviewers being paid shills and then tell people to trust reviews where any schmuck with an e-mail address can post. Those schmucks can be blind fanboys, people with an axe to grind, or normal gamers. With user reviews, there's no way to discern credibility OR identity so anyone with multiple e-mail addresses could spam multiple inflated reviews. The sheer fact that most games get swamped with 10's and 0's prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that user reviews are more flawed than "professional" reviews.

    From where I sit, the only "retard" here is you for trashing one skewed metric and trying to replace it with a *far less credible* AND *much more skewed* metric.
  • Aurora_Borealis
    Aurora_Borealis

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    "We didnt start the flame war" na nana nana na nana nana
  • Aurora_Borealis
    Aurora_Borealis

    Joined: Jul 2008
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
    "We didnt start the flame war" na nana nana na nana nana
  • ShadeTail
    ShadeTail

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jul 15th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    butthurt Secret World players: "WHINE BITCH PISS MOAN!"

    Please, stay longer. You losers amuse me. :)
  • crucible
    crucible

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 4:50 am
    I'm amused about retarded comments for countless pages without getting to a factual discussion. Unbelievable. But please... go on... it's like driving by a car accident, you just can't look away.

    Still, the quality of the comments here exceeds the quality of this review.
  • ShadeTail
    ShadeTail

    Joined: Nov 2006
    Posted: Jul 17th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
    Wow, you are *easy* to troll, loser. Please, keep replying to me. :)
  • banks72301
    banks72301

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    You know a guy writes a rushed, "please come to my page because of low score to give us hits", narrow minded, and unfair review when he constantly has to prove himself by replying to almost every comment on the page.

    You are VERY amateur. You try to use "puns" but they come off embarassing and unfunny. You comment to people's post as if you were just another nerd raging forum troll. You actually used "barrens chat" as a way to describe chat. Thats what the every day person with no professionalism and understanding of how games and people work say.

    What happened with your life? Did GT, IGN, or GAMESPOT not accept your application but this website that has the inner workings of a poorly ran Walmart decided they need a reviewer and just picked you up because you were one of the only losings who knew about this website and were willing to apply?

    You are NOT cool, people WILL NOT remember you. Everybody is just having fun challenging you're review because ur a noob.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    Thanks for the feedback! I'm always looking to improve the taste of my muffins.
  • UghRochester
    UghRochester

    Joined: Jun 2006
    Posted: Jul 17th, 2012 at 9:12 am
    I'll remember Jonathan
  • Imnickson
    Imnickson

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 16th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    I'm the type of person who reads reviews for entertainment first and research second. That being said, who would have thought that a simple review would provide days and days of entertainment.
  • Captiosus
    Captiosus

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 17th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Nothing to see here but the same old song and dance of people who can't handle it when someone points out legitimate flaws. These folks know these flaws exist but they don't want the world to know, so they come in with guns blazing trying to discredit the author.

    Most sane, rational, people will be able to see right through the noise. How many times have we seen this same playbook in the last few years? Aion, Rift, DCUO, TOR and the beat goes on. Funny how most of these initially negative reviews almost always end up being the most accurate over the long term.
  • hewhowasonceme
    hewhowasonceme

    Joined: May 2011
    Posted: Jul 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    Wow. Who cares anyways all MMO's are kinda boring to me (Hint: This is my opinion, not a fact you can argue)
    I have been coming to this site for years and have not agreed with all the reviews, but never did I get that mad. It's a game, it's not that important. To go as far as some did and say if you don't like this game your too dumb, shows that you are immature and incapable of hearing others opinions no matter how flawed it is, and that you are probably 12.
    The good thing about this site is that you can tell them your opinions and they actually answer (unless your a troll) and the community here is a very devoted one. So to come here and question Jonathan's integrity or journalism means nothing, much like this review should mean nothing to you.

    P.S thanks for the entertainment.
  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    I created this account just to give folks an accurate portrayal of TSW, as I while I respect the reviewer's opinion and clear lack of interest in the game, I feel his 2.5 rating was reached prematurely and unfairly.

    First I'd like to say that I love games. All sorts of games. I currently have GW2 the Digital Deluxe copy preordered. I have an active subscription to SWTOR and still play it at least 3X a week. Some random games that I adore are Borderlands, Bioshock 1 and 2, Gears of War series, Devil May Cry Series, LOTRO, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Baldur's Gate, Halo series and many, many, others.

    (continued in comment below)
  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    (continued from above)

    Having said that I would now like to admit that I have not reached Egypt even in TSW, so I'm still pretty early in the game, but even in my limited game play, I noticed some glaring items from the review above that in my opinion, were simply inaccurate.

    First of all, I would like to agree that the character creator is limited, but that I'm not concerned as they've already announced additional customization coming by way of a plastic surgeon and hairdresser (in July) and a tattoo parlor (maybe in August) that will allow much deeper customization and the ability to make a "pretty female". So, this will not sway my opinion, as they have noted the issue and have already worked to fix it.

    (continued in the comment below)
  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    (continued from above)

    Secondly, the reviewer commented:

    "During the first hour it feels like the game is tearing control away from you with dozens of cut-scenes and dialogue"

    I completely would like to ignore this statement, as many of my favorite games have cut-scenes that in no way feel like simply because they are there "control is being torn from me". Rather they make me feel more into the game, like I'm part of a story, not some random character out killing 50 rabbits for no reason. I happen to like 'story' in this game as well as others, such as Devil May Cry, Metal Gear series (TONS of cut-scenes), Uncharted series, etc... All great games, for which I am thrilled there are cut-scenes (TSW included).

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    (continued from above)

    Thirdlyand so on, and so on....

    I do not feel the animations are clunky at all. The combat is not boring and the missions, not one, has lulled me to sleep (or even came close). On the contrary, I've actually found the missions are quite intriguing, fresh, and are far from the rinse and repeat missions of go kill 50 rabbits for no reason that so many other MMO's simply cannot get away from. The only missions I've found that leave me lost are the Investigation missions (which you can easily by-pass if you want - they are completely optional). If you choose not to bypass them, but still don't want to put the effort into figuring it out on your own (i.e. being lost so you start to do research, look for clues, INVESTIGATE :-)....), then you can simply ask for direction in the mission hints chat channel OR you can simply not pick up the Investigation missions. It's YOUR choice, so there's an option for all of ya, no reason to not like it.

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    (continued from above)

    Again, I can't argue with the reviewer's comment on the later levels feeling less polished since I haven't made it far, but in my limited experience (which still consists of at least 40+ hours on the game) I completely disagree with the following statement he made:

    "feel dead with open areas littered with characterless enemies and uninteresting environment"

    Some areas are open, yes, but how bad would it suck if every part of the map was a rat maze where the character was shoved down a certain path or into a confined building. What's wrong with open areas...I like to be FREE!!! :D Furthermore, I feel the enemies are not characterless at all. I mean sure not all enemies spark a cinematic telling you their history or how their current condition came to pass, but SOME DO!! I mean if they all did that the reviewer would really, really hate this game...MORE cut-scenes!! WHAT?!

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    (continued from above)

    I actually like the enemies. The first area alone has a ton of different variations of enemies to kill. Way more than what I found in the first areas in GW, SWTOR, or even LOTRO. Heck I'd say it has more than maybe all of those combined. In the first area alone I ran into: Revenants, Ghosts, axe-toting zombie fireman, naked zombie sea witches, octopus-looking sea creatures, Jack - an evil pumpkin guy, cultists, Hulk zombies, Egg-carrying pod zombies, zombies with huge spikes for an arm, creepy resident-evil looking creatures that crawl around on all fours, wisps, MIB's and yes...tons of normal townsfolk who were turned to zombies, and that's not even counting the crazies you encounter in the first dungeon-like area. Did I find any of these characterless? Maybe the one charred zombie who was already dead laying on the side of the road...the rest were GREAT.

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    (continued from above)

    In addition to finding the enemies full of character, I also found that environments highly interesting. I found the imagery quite captivating and it really gave me a sense of unease, yet I could sense how prior to the "fog" the town would have been quite beautiful and cozy (aside from the random murder and odd occurrence that tends to happen in the TSW's world), but that's part of it's allure. The first area is a nice harbor town, with some wooded areas that feel dense and quite witching. The second area is very nice, with it's tall cliffs and ocean view, mountains, very captivating....you almost forget there is a flesh eating zombie or gargoyle type creature 20 feet away just hoping to take your head off, but you're reminded quickly! :D

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    Finally, I'd like to say I run the game completely maxed out (all settings MAXED out....ULTRA HIGH) and have zero issues. No frame rate issues to call home about or anything, just fun times.

    Overall, this game has been extremely enjoyable for me and will continue to be. Do I think it's for everyone? No, of course not, can't please everyone 100% of the time. BUT....if you're looking for something different, something with less of a 'grind' feel and more of a RP feel, then I think you will really enjoy this game. It has PLENTY to offer that nothing else out there right now has. I know, I play the others that are out there now (including Diablo 3 - and I like it a LOT, I just like this more as I feel it has more to offer).

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  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    (continued from above)

    Based on the reviewer's score of this game (2.5) and the comments in his review...I believe, in my opinion, he may have based this on a BETA run as I've found no dead areas, everywhere seems to be quite lively with folks running around everywhere, have found no quests with bugs (just some difficult quests that cause me to THINK), and grouping has never been an issue.

    So....for those of you on the fence, I would absolutely suggest trying this game. It has tons to offer, is quite refreshing in it's take on missions and just a more modern environment, and is well worth the $50 price tag (along with the $14/mo).

    My rating of this game would be a solid 4 out of 5, with that score potentially growing (or decreasing) depending on what updates and features are offered down the road.

    Now, without further delay....I'm going to play TSW, as I've already lost precious play time by trying to set you guys straight!!! :-(

    Thanks!
  • Imnickson
    Imnickson

    Joined: Jul 2006
    Posted: Jul 19th, 2012 at 12:33 am
    I think people put a little too much emphasis on the number at the end of the article. It may be because that number can effect the metascore but metascroes are inaccurate. You wouldn't know this but GR's grading scale is different from most other sites. A 5 is not a perfect score here. 5 means; really freaking good game but still flawed, which is a 4.5 on other sites. That being the case this 2.5 is more like a 3. That 3 would translate to a metascore of about a 65, which would put it on par with most other sites. That being said, you seem like the most level headed of TSW's fans so welcome to GR. I hope you stick around.
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
    I appreciate your comments and you sharing your opinion. I suggest that you write a review of your own on our site. I think it's always good for potential buyers to get a variety of impressions so they can get a good idea of what to expect from the game. If you share your opinion with a review and there are other people who know they share a similar taste, your review will hold a lot of weight for them.

    If someone is like me and enjoys fluid combat, captivating environments, good interfacing, and a quality presence of PvP I can't see them ever enjoying The Secret World. However, if someone would enjoy trying something different that has a story cemented in myths with a horror theme I suppose I can see them being happy with their purchase.
  • stacycmc
    stacycmc

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 18th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    (continued from above)

    Based on the reviewer's score of this game (2.5) and the comments in his review...I believe, in my opinion, he may have based this on a BETA run as I've found no dead areas, everywhere seems to be quite lively with folks running around everywhere, have found no quests with bugs (just some difficult quests that cause me to THINK), and grouping has never been an issue.

    So....for those of you on the fence, I would absolutely suggest trying this game. It has tons to offer, is quite refreshing in it's take on missions and just a more modern environment, and is well worth the $50 price tag (along with the $14/mo).

    My rating of this game would be a solid 4 out of 5, with that score potentially growing (or decreasing) depending on what updates and features are offered down the road.

    Now, without further delay....I'm going to play TSW, as I've already lost precious play time by trying to set you guys straight!!! :-(

    Thanks!
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:00 am
    Just a note, all the TSW fanboys can head on over to the Quarter to Three website. They gave the game an even lower score of 2/5. Find them on metacritic. Let all that rage out fanboys! Don't hold back those tears any longer! Shoo fanboys, shoo!
  • Yokomohoyos
    Yokomohoyos

    Joined: Jul 2012
    Posted: Jul 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    It seems that you, reviewer found the game a tad too hard for your taste. Your "criticism" is a direct mirror of those that find the game too hard for them. This is not a hand-holding MMO like most others out on the market. This game is *not* for everyone. I am glad to see that you are aware that certain aspects of the game do not gel with you. At least that is one unbiased and objective comment. I wish that the rest of your reiew was as unbiased as that.
  • xDUMPWEEDx
    xDUMPWEEDx

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: Dec 12th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    Sup noobstatus, you are right the game isn't for everyone. As evidenced by this POS game going F2P after only 5 months, means the game is apparently for NO ONE. The game is trash, just like your comment. NOOB = OWNED.
  • vlietvandon
    vlietvandon

    Joined: Nov 2008
    Posted: Dec 13th, 2012 at 1:17 am
    This was a very fun read. Seeing all of the accounts just based on this review and to chime in. In my best Ogre impression (he was in a movie called revenge of the nerds for you youngsters :))) ) ..."NNNNEERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
  • Jonathan_Leack
    Jonathan_Leack

    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posted: May 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Free to play.

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