Some secrets are best left untold.
I have a soft spot for online RPGs, especially MMOS that try to revitalize the stagnant genre with unique design and progressive flavor.
The Secret World fits right into my archetype; not only does it attempt to go in a bold new direction with level-less design, a modern setting, and fully voice-acted cutscenes, but it’s made by a developer with over a decade of experience. In essence, it’s the perfect setup for either a big surprise or a huge let-down.
The Secret World starts off exactly how you might expect
—spending nearly half an hour creating a character. But don’t be fooled, it’s not because there are a lot of options. Selecting from one of the three cool factions (Dragon, Illuminati, and Templar) is great, but the character creator is too limited. Most of your time will go into choosing which clothes to wear since the choices for designing your character’s features are slim. Since everyone is human and the're very little physical customization, each character's wardrobe is what sets them apart.

During the first hour the game tears control away from you with dozens of cut-scenes and dialogue, but on the plus side the voice-acting is great. The game offers a truly unique atmosphere in the modern day world with a particular blend of myths and horror. NPC interaction is one of the best qualities of the game, but unfortunately the first few hours don't do it justice. Initially, it almost feels like you're playing a modern action-adventure game with MMO roots, but that potential is quickly swallowed whole by the first taste of combat.
The combat system aims for a more action-oriented approach with handguns, magic, and hammers, but it's so dated and incohesive that it’s hard to enjoy. The animations are clunky and it lacks the feedback that makes games like
World of Warcraft and even the upcoming
Guild Wars 2 fun to play for extended periods of time. Worst of all, combat sequences are rarely satisfying no matter which of the nine weapon types you equip. The only highlight is the attack indicator that appears while battling certain types of monsters which prompts you to dodge. However, it isn’t enough to carry the experience, and since you spend the majority of your time in battle, this shortcoming is amplified.
It’s important to keep in mind that by design
The Secret World features both sandbox and themepark elements with hand-holding kept at a minimum. Though there’s a main storyline to follow, the path isn't set in stone. Instead, progression is made by participating in dozens of side-quests. Quests range from generic hunting quests that lull you to sleep, to missions that require thought and precision. Some take advantage of the game's engine by introducing interactive objects, while others send you around on a scavenger hunt. At launch, a sizeable portion of the quests are buggy and progression is halted on a regular basis. While most of these are optional, spending half an hour on a questline only to find out that one of the final steps is broken is something that can overwhelm any sense of satisfaction with pure frustration.
The unfortunate side effect of the game’s adventurous design is that it’s extremely common to feel lost and hopeless. Quest instructions are hit-and-miss with some offering helpful guidance while others are downright impossible to understand. You’ll find yourself constantly asking where to go in the game’s Help chat or taking advantage of the in-game browser to find forum threads littered with similarly confused individuals. Players who enjoy a challenge might find this quality alluring, but the average player will quickly lose interest.
Investigation quests are where the game shows strokes of brilliance. These quests require you to problem-solve by using clues in the environment as well as contextual items, such as phone books and newspaper articles. An in-game browser is also employed to solve a variety of the quests. Similarly, there are missions that involve platforming and light puzzle-solving. As with investigation, these breathe some life into
The Secret World, but they’re only a minor portion of the whole questing experience. As such, the mixture of many dull and sometimes broken quests coupled together with the game's unsatisfying combat system makes for gameplay that simply put isn't fun.
What’s most interesting about the game is there are no levels and you can design your character how you want even after you finish character creation. Progression through the ability wheel is rewarding with hundreds of skills for you to choose from, and you can mix and match two weapon types to play how you want. A total of seven active and seven passive skills can be equipped at any given time and it’s encouraged that you level up several sections of the wheel to avoid being one-dimensional. The result is a system that is very flexible and encourages you to be a swiss army knife of sorts.
In terms of gear, there is no armor in the game, so you can wear any—or none—of the clothing purchased at the game mall to give your character the look you desire. There are talismans that can be equipped, which function in the same way as gear, although the combinations are limited and not visually gratifying since you can’t see them on your character. It’s a strange mixture, but on the plus side personality is on full-display. You’ll very rarely find two people who are dressed the same, and there are an awful lot of half-naked women running around... which might be a plus for you.
Each zone of
The Secret World is themed with its own enemies and quests. The first main environment you run into is Kingsmouth, a calm town that’s been overrun with zombies. Later you go on to visit other real-world locations such as Egypt. It certainly makes going to a new area more exciting, but the biggest problem is that they’re inconsistent in quality, with later zones clearly less polished. What’s most concerning is that the zones feel dead with open areas littered with characterless enemies and uninteresting environments. The main cities are devoid of life and make you feel like you're a character in Stephen King's The Langoliers. Its lack of energy makes it difficult to become immersed, which is a shame considering the atmosphere has a lot of potential.
PvP is hardly worth noting. Not only is it laggy, severely imbalanced, and frustrating, but the combat also makes it a button-mashing snore-fest. The crafting system is useful for creating your first weapon and completing the tutorial, but afterward is rarely useful. There’s no group finder, so chat spam has once again found its way into a modern MMO. The one thing worth your time and effort are the several dungeons with unique bosses that require group strategy. They reward you with tons of experience and loot so it's a good idea to do them once your gear is up to snuff, but once again the game's floaty and spammy combat presents itself in full-force during the long drawn-out fights.
The detailed character models are the only commendable part of the game’s presentation, and even they're far from perfect. Female character faces look hideous, and although there are a few very well-designed enemies in the game, many of them are dull. The character models stand-out from the game's comatose environments which feel empty and unfulfilled. Animations are awful and there’s so little feedback that you’ll wonder sometimes whether or not your ability landed. The UI is functional but can be a hassle at times and considering it lacks hotkeys for inventory items it certainly isn't up to today's standards. Worst of all, performance isn’t up to snuff, so even if you have a decent rig chances are you’ll be rolling with lower framerates than you expect.
As it stands now,
The Secret World stands little chance as a subscription-based game when similar products offer so much more. The flexible skill system is fun to toy around with, but the boring combat makes unlocking abilities far less desiring. While the voice-acted cutscenes are arguably the best in the genre, it's difficult to become engrossed in the world when it's as lifeless as it is. Lastly, the quests are far too inconsistent with investigation and platforming rising well above the majority of other quests which at times are downright dreadful.
The Secret World is a title that may have made a splash five years ago. Now it’s just another archaic MMO looking to fit in.
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TheJx4
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intoTheRain
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he has a point, you cannot really get a proper MMO review out at launch. but on the other hand you do have to get the review out.
calm down bro.
TheJx4
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Same to you my friend, job well done.
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As for the review happening right away that's because in 2 months the game will be without players and on the path to FTP.
TheJx4
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BigBadBob
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The part where you say the zones don't feel alive, I really have no idea what you are talking about. Most of the zones feel lived in and are well developed (other than the Illuminati starting city that is). And when you said the "the combat also makes it a button-mashing snore-fest", I don't think you played the same game that I am.
There are so many conditions, actions, and re-actions that combat in TSW is amazing. It is as far from button mashing as one can get. One wrong move and you can wipe your whole team, since there are no resurrection abilities in the game.
There are a lot of glaring errors in your review, and I wonder if you have played the game at all...
BigBadBob
Joined: Jul 2012
Please play the game next time before reviewing it.
BigBadBob
Joined: Jul 2012
I have helped countless people by giving them clues to quests they thought were bugged. It seems that reading is going the way of the dodo, and mindless grinding is in. Too bad really.
Finally, the fact that you don't even mention how deep the character development system is (there are over 500 skills and passives to chose from) makes me believe you only spent a few hours with the game.
Jonathan_Leack
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Jonathan_Leack
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I gave Diablo 3 a high score because it's a blast to play and has qualities that make it feel like the $60 price tag was worth it early into the experience. I never experienced a moment of fun in The Secret World, and ultimately that's what matters most when it comes to being able to recommend a video game to a wide audience.
MrCaldulius
Joined: Jul 2012
If so; that's just wrong. He had seven (7) thumps up vs. five (5) thumps down, so it doesn't really make sense.
Youarenotspecial
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crucible
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Oh, you felt lost and hopeless, didn't the game hold your hand like mommy? Shit I hope WoWtards like this guy stay out of this game, niche games are better than the mainstream medieval cartoon crap anyway. Too bad there are people trusting the reviewers and not trying it out to get their own picture of the game because of jerks like him.
CaptainPicard
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crucible
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That is why I trust metacritic and actual player opinions instead of bribed review sites:
Metacritic:
Diablo3 Userscore 3.9/10
TOR Userscore 5.7/10
Secret World Userscore 8.9/10
that's the numbers those titles deserve.
review sites giving good scores to the best advertising clients. Do the bribes feel good in your pockets?
MrCaldulius
Joined: Jul 2012
I've seens tons of less positive reviews on various websites, where I didn't comment, because I could see that the reviewer had actually taken his time, and tried the game properly. This reviewer haven't, and that's why you see so many people complaining.
StringerBell86
Joined: Mar 2012
Unless metacritic aggregates users AND reviews (with a heavier weight) like Rotten Tomatoes for movies, user-generated reviews/reporting will never be a credible source.
Sorry
sliverstorm
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Josh_Laddin
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Have fun, Jonathan.
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crucible
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How about disclosing which companies pay your ads? Let's see if there is any correlation between your "reviews" and paying clients
PeeDeeJay
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Guernica
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Good review though. I had basically the same impression of the game from one of the betas I was in. Was gonna give it another try if they ironed it out by now and GR gave it a good review but not surprised to see it didn't quite get to where it needed to be yet. Maybe after a year of patches it will be caught up.
MrCaldulius
Joined: Jul 2012
There's so many key-features that isn't even mentioned in this review, and so many stuff that that's factually wrong. He says the later zone clearly isn't as polished, when he obviously only has been in Kingsmouth (perhaps a little of Savage Coast as well), what's up with that? - TSW have had separate teams working on each zone , and that's why they're almost equally polished.
You even said it yourself; you had the same 'first impressions' from beta - but this is a review, this isn't supposed to be 'a first impression', and that's why people are complaining. People that love their MMORPG, want to see it succeed, so it can live on, and when a reviewer gives so little effort, and just bashes a game, people get frustrated - and that's why you see these comments.
Nick_Tan
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MrCaldulius
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So my point being, that less 20 hours just isn't enough for a MMORPG. And he has still only experienced a very small part of the game. Which is fair, but don't call it a review then, and certainly; don't write about things, that clearly is just taken from thin air, and not experienced by reviewer.
lolatthisplace
Joined: Jul 2012
Thats like reviewing Diablo 3 after beating it on normal/nightmare.
Did you guys just get your journalism degrees from the University of Phoenix online?
Josh_Laddin
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daves
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Its ok that he does not like the game, as it is quite special and not for everybody. but this does not make the game a bad one as his writings and score suggests.
These 5 days are just to short to test a mmorpg. This one says nothing about group plays, how many are of them how hard they are (inis are a crucial point for mmorpgs so leaving this part out is a huge mistake). Saying crafting play no role in the game is very wrong and just shows again that the "tester" didnt really play the game much. There are just some claims like, pvp is imbalanced without telling you why this is so.... ( in my opionion it cannot be imbalanced , as there are no classes). The later maps arent quite polished? Dont think so. Egypt is just great and Shadowy Forest is my favourite map.....
daves
Joined: Jul 2012
Thats not an opinion but a fact, looking at the things it does different or new things it offers....
Will it have sucess? we will see but already condemning it to be a failure just shows what this article really is.... an opinion, nothing more.....
Kumate
Joined: Jul 2012
-You spoke of combat, but never explained how it was introduced to the player. You assumed everyone played beta like you. There is an entire instance subway tutorial that you failed to mention as it explains THE starting storyline to the player.
-You compared it to a game currently in Beta. Which showed pure bias right from the start.
-You said PVP was not even worth mentioning. This assume that EVERYONE PVP's like you and only your way is worth mentioning since this clearly did not have what YOU wanted. There are free for all PVP zones in every starting city, 2 10v10 Battlegrouns, and a 150v150 battleground that has permanent server benefits for the winning faction.
crucible
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This amateur joke review site is now on "ignore"
Kumate
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-You said the later zones are clearly unpolished and this is 100% false. There are actually more bugs in the first couple of zones because they tried to change things up to improve the starter experienced. The later zones are actually MORE polished. You did not even get to the future zonesexcept in beta. You failed to mention that during the last 3 weeks of closed beta they unlocked a lot of content later (they didnt want to spoil the game for the beta testers). Mainly because you probably didnt know and werent playing then. But you assumed and put it in your review.
-Finally you made a comment of being lost while questing on what to do next. But you compare it to skyrim where you state that it's a sandbox and you can do what you want. How does that make sense to you? But here is a funny thing, why dont you open the MAP. Funcom didn't hide ANYTHING from you.
Kumate
Joined: Jul 2012
I would give the game a 4 out of 5. He was rightthe combat needs some tweeking but its basically like WOW and the character creation needs more. They already announced that the CC will be reworked and tied into the storyline by August. The rest of it is really well polished and thought out. Unlike this review. Please next time actually try the game for more then a few hours. Also cover things even if YOU didn't like them.
Loggrim
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Loggrim
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But I trust that it is you, dumpweed, that people are disregarding.
Have a nice day.
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ebon
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MrCaldulius
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Here's the proof:
Our reviewer was creative enough to use his lastname as nickname, so I could find him in TSW's character database. He didn't even reach rank 3 in his Faction (which opens up for the first Faction mission - a very cool one), and that just shows he didn't play the game at all. Most people get to rank 3 in late Kingsmouth to middle Savage Coast.
MrCaldulius
Joined: Jul 2012
chronicle . thesecretworld . com/character/Leach
Since I posted my previously post, the Chronicle has been taken down. It's still in beta, so it's up and down from time to time - if it's like last time, it should be up again soon.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Jonathan_Leack
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1) My last name isn't Leach.
2) My character's name doesn't include my real-world name, so whoever's profile you're looking at isn't mine.
If you're having such a good time playing the game then why are you spending such an enormous amount of time flaming my review? You could spend that time on something positive such as progressing your character or helping someone out in-game.
Just an observation.
MrCaldulius
Joined: Jul 2012
It might not be your last name; fair enough. I don't know of course. But the doesn't change the above fact.
Regarding your observation. What is your definition of 'enormous'? Mine is that it's at least more than a hour, e.i. I don't spend an enormous amount of time here. Five or how many posts I've made doesn't take that long. So I spend plenty of time on playing the game and helping players. Oh, and trolling? - I'm rather counter-trolling; your entire review was one big troll.
TheJx4
Joined: Jun 2011
That was your "proof", which was false. Yet you still try to keep it going.
"Mate; why even try?"
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I also spent the better part of that year playing online third person shooter free to plays that year so I had alot to compare to.
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3) Hard to find a group. Did you try? I see groups forming all the time and have been a part of at least 5 groups that just formed spontaneously to complete quests. The UI has given me zero problems. Although I do realize this is bordering on opinion.
4) A score of 2.5 seems to represent a very bad game. While you may not find this game to your liking, 2.5 seems unusually harsh for a game that has a very nice environment and feel to it. An underlying story that is interesting if you pay attention and an extremely stable launch (minus a few bugged quests). TERA gets a 4? And this gets a 2.5? Explain that. TERA has great combat, but is extremely shallow otherwise and never gave me the feeling of 'drawing me in'. I feel you have done TSW a disservice.
Jammyn
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daves
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to say it in his words
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Jammyn
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My reading comprehension is fine. I read the review several times and found several errors that do not reflect the actual game play experience.
I see that in the absence of any other argument you pull at the 'fanboy' comment. I had no expectations for this game and I certainly don't believe it rates a perfect score. It doesn't rate a 2.5 either.
ebon
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StringerBell86
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I'm all about debate but taking stabs at the entire staff based on one review is a logical fallacy: the sum of the whole equals the sum of its parts. Ridiculous man.
ebon
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StringerBell86
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But criticism without backing it up by citing specific examples is what they seem to be criticizing. And when comments take stabs like that, they will elicit a response without a doubt. If you want to make an argument, make a proper one.
Everyone wants to be heard but if you just want to engage in mudslinging, then we DO NOT need to hear you. (I'm speaking generally... not taking a direct stab at you Ebon)
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CaptainPicard
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Anthony_Severino
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Too much rage over this review. You would think that these guys - if the game was as good as they claim - would be playing the game, not whining about a middle of the road review. It's not even a poor score - it's a 2.5 out of 5, a 5 out of 10, a 50%. That's halfway.
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Our Reviewer Gives diablo 3 a 4.5/5 and TSW a 2.5/5.
People playing the games (based on metacritic user reviews) give diablo 3 a 3.9/10 and TSW an 8.8/10.
I've played both and.... I agree with the gaming public.
Enough sai d .
ebon
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NecroWolf
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I love how the TSW people are being so one-sided about this. Ah, right, I forgot, the internet hates it when you retort to some of their childish insults, silly me.
Jammyn
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Jonathan_Leack
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I don't love SWTOR, but it has way more features than TSW, a more engrossing atmosphere and better combat. Our score on the site reflects this.
Irx
Joined: Jul 2012
Wow, just wow. :D
Jammyn
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loledhard
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It's rated M, for mature and requires some brain activity to play it. They wouldn't like it anyway, and TSW player base is better of without them.
Last, but not least. The comment section is pure comedy gold.
And this site fun boys deserve big L O L.
Thx for the laughter boys. Please stay away from The Secret World.
Peace.
xDUMPWEEDx
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DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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Have fun with... whatever you have fun with.
crucible
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Dead lifeless worlds? But handing out TOR a nearly 100% score for the dead worlds those lazy devs threw at the market.
also I wonder what kind of a cheap setup he uses for testing, running TSW here easily at DX11 1920x1080 with ultra settings, tesselation, AAHQ on a GTX 570 AMP at framerates of 40-47fps.
They don't even post their specs and say "don't use DX11"? Pathetic and misleading
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
My PC specs are the following:
CPU: Phenom X4 965 OC'd @ 3.8GHz/core
Memory: 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws
GPU: GeForce GTX 570
PSU: Corsair TX650M
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Case: Corsair Graphite 600T
Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p LED Backlit LCD
2nd Monitor: HP 21" 2009m
Mouse: Steelseries Sensei/Razer DeathAdder
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa
Mouse Pad: SteelSeries QcK
All you had to do was ask.
crucible
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cant answer factual questions?
crucible
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cant answer factual questions?
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Djbril
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I am also confused as to why, if everyone else is giving a good review, and Jon gave it a negative review, you'd listen? The simple law of averages, it would seem, is reverse from how it should be.
One negative review has effectively destroyed the integrity of the game? I fail to see why you would take the time to bash the review? It's a review. Agree, or disagree--but if you play the game, why do you care what he thinks? Did you develop it? Do you have a personal, binary, and codependent
crucible
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As an alleged "pro reviewer" not mentioning the stellar crafting, not mentioning 75vs75vs75 PvP, not mentioning single server technology, not mentioning the chronicle feature, pretending the DX11 performance would be bad and the obligatory fanboi nod to the dated cartoony fantasy crap like Guildfail2 / WoW.
Empty statements like "other products offer so much more". Which products? What do they offer? And where is the bullet point comparison to TOR's technical specs I asked for and got deleted? This guy knows nothing and that cheap review is the best prove for it.
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De-Ting
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O face.
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Jonathan_Leack
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I absolutely agree. Just because I didn't like it certainly doesn't mean everyone won't. The best way to find out if the game is for you is to... play it yourself! That said, it's kind of risky just going out and buying a $50 game, so your next option is to look at ALL of the reviews for it. One of my favorite games of all time is Final Fantasy Tactics, but I've heard several people say it sucks. Does that mean I went and harassed them? Nope. We just have a different opinion! :)
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TSW has a setup of connected cross server dimensions, Biowares tranfers are as clunky and outdated as TOR's concept and graphics.
What they didn't improve are the ugly DX9 plastic graphics, blocky Lego shadows, miserable lighting, dead empty corridor planets without day/night/ change, the embarrassing railshooter, meaningless dialogue options, the lag and screen freezes on fleet, hundreds of boring click x container quests, minute long loading screens, exhaustion zones and kneedeep waters without simming.
Being an ex TOR victim I can safely say TSW is lightyears ahead in comparison.
Still waiting for someone to explain how TSW deserves a 2.5 if TOR gets a 3.5
It must be a magic trick.
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scfs123
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Ya'll should know this sites pretty terrible for MMO reviews, although they do great job on single player games.
xDUMPWEEDx
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DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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Jonathan_Leack
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For the record, I'm just like you in the sense that I love MMOs and have spent an enormous amount of time playing them. I can't name another genre that has been more rewarding and entertaining for long periods of time.
DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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It's blatant misinformation. And most of TSW fanbase came here with honest and polite questions about. Only to be called fanbois(what kind of insult is that anyway?) and trolls.
I appreciate keeping ppl who can't think for them selfes out of TSW though. So there is still value to this "review."
crucible
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The way this review is written it's just incomplete, lazy and superficial, concluding in a lousy rating.
DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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Peace.
Jonathan_Leack
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I was lost in the woods feeling a deep sense of despair. I couldn't feel my legs, my hands were shaking with fear. I was about to give up when out of the blue appeared a giant... GAMEREVOLUTION.
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DUMBWEEDxLOLx
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All i hear is" Waaaah, waaaah! I'm angry kid. I would never be able to afford sub based game, all my pocket money from my mommy go on weed. Waaah!"
Good one. Thx. For the laughter again. Your golden.
Post some more monkey.
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DUMBWEEDxLOLx
Joined: Jul 2012
Try adding more: "WAAAAAAH! Crybaby!" And more fanboi comments. Common, be creative.
xDUMPWEEDx
Joined: Jan 2012
DUMBWEEDxLOLx
Joined: Jul 2012
trollhater
Joined: Jul 2012
every single comment you post is full of ****
you talk a lot about fanboys but you must be Jonathan's blind fanboy N°1, you jump and smack talk on anyone who disagrees with his review, pathetic
trollhater
Joined: Jul 2012
every single comment you post is full of ****
you talk a lot about fanboys but you must be Jonathan's blind fanboy N°1, you jump and smack talk on anyone who disagrees with his review, pathetic
cameronowns
Joined: Jul 2012
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
DUMBWEEDxLOLx
Joined: Jul 2012
So you may want to rethink that xD
But to give this site justice. It would be a good read if i've found it when i was fifteen. Silly humor, hilarious posters and reviewers, who are just as silly their audience. I would love it, honestly and it's not a sarcasm. TSW just can't fit in here, it's not "that kind of game."
Peace.
Demosthenes
Joined: Aug 2006
Also, if everyone would like to enrol in this course
Demosthenes
Joined: Aug 2006
Then perhaps you could provide some legitimate criticism of Jonathan's review.
Demosthenes
Joined: Aug 2006
DUMBWEEDxLOLx
Joined: Jul 2012
"Anthony_Severino - Joined: Oct 14, 2010
Wow. That's one hell of a retort. Burn baby burn!"
Irrelevant though, and not worth any discusion as i dont find anything but silly.
Base of all criticism of this review is that he wraped up whole game after playing 20 hours. Commenting about unfinished later zones, when he clearly couldn't advance to any but third zone in that time. Assuming he skipped majority of the quests and "esc" through all cinematics. Theres more, but i can understand that this review is directed to the crowd that read this website. I'm sure the reviewer knows them alot better than i'm, and has good reasons to put the score like that for them.
cameronowns
Joined: Jul 2012
cameronowns
Joined: Jul 2012
Bandilazino
Joined: Dec 2009
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
So, to all you scumbags that are hurt from a complete honest and unbiased review, get the **** out of here! Go read your biased reviews, because you're too ignorant to comprehend what game is good and what isn't.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
I've been playing since beta#1 and I don't know what the heck this guy is writing about, it's simply full of BS and lies.
But he rated 4.5/5 for a zero replayability title like diablo3 bwa-haha... oh my... extremely credible when the user metascore is 3.9/10...
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
But he worships Diablo3, a 12h braindead loot game in multiple difficulty modes. LOL. User metascore 3.9/10
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
Bandilazino
Joined: Dec 2009
Josh_Laddin
Joined: Nov 2009
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
(not spam)
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
Djbril
Joined: Jul 2012
But, all GR should take away from this is that you think they are important enough to make an impact. Good, i'm glad they finally get their "street cred".
It's still just one review--by the way, those who said metacritic makes a different,
Metacritic is strictly influenced by the powers that be. Stop being naive and grow up. So he didn't elaborate on some points, good lord.
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
Djbril
Joined: Jul 2012
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
He knows exactly bullshit about this game, and the fact he is hiding his character name which could be checked out in TSW chronicle is PROVING it.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
No response on the huge information gaps either. Pathetic.
ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR CHARACTER NAME SO WE CAN LOOK UP YOUR PROGRESS on the TSW Chronicle.
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
Djbril
Joined: Jul 2012
Don't you have a game you should be playing? Just saying
and stop liking your own comments. This isn't Facebook.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
the fact he does not tell his character name proves that he did not play the game, perhaps checked out the early beta for one hour and then wrote this joke of a review. Disgusting.
LawnGnome
Joined: Apr 2007
derb
Joined: Jul 2012
elmoreoocyte
Joined: Apr 2012
Reading this thread today was the best birthday present I got (shameless self-plug).
I was actually really interested in trying this game if it dropped the antiquated subscription model. After reading these (I'm guessing 3 people with alts) I'm not sure the community is worth it.
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
I had no issues with the community in-game, although General Chat reminded me of Barrens Chat from time to time. That said, I'd recommend holding off until there's a demo or free-to-play weekend.
elmoreoocyte
Joined: Apr 2012
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
Okay, probably not, but I'll be typing very fast.
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
arrrgh you dont like a game that I think is awesome, you must fail argh
if this is any indication of the player base on this MMO, I wont be playing it
note that fanboys, this review didn't push me away from this game, you fanatical retards did
elmoreoocyte
Joined: Apr 2012
Lets be friends.
Imnickson
Joined: Jul 2006
www.quartertothree.com/fp/2012/07/09/secret-worlds-dirty-little-secret-is-that-it-doesnt-work-yet/
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Pointing at the comments above, the reviewer does not discuss the arguments, does not disclose his player character name to check out on crucible, which simply proves the fact he hasn't played the game.
Butt-hurt by a cheap review on a meaningless site? Hardly.
Shocked about dishonest amateur journalism? Most definitely.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
you do realize coming here to argue is not going to change anyone mind, just make you look like a butt-hurt fanboy
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
I know TSW and I'm playing with a steadily growing guild and everyone is overwhelmed by the brilliance of the game and the smooth launch, regardless of a few launch questbugs which already got fixed, check out the resubbing thread or numerous thank you funcom threads in the forum, the amazon reviews, the user ratings on metacritic (compare to the catastrophic user ratings of D3 and SWTOR), the secret world megathread on mmo-champion, the reports and comments on mmorpg-dot-com and the majority of very good reviews.
This review is crap, the reviewer is an amateur, a liar and completely incompetent, end of story.
Now stop replying, and being butt hurt because no one is able to invalidate facts.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
It's cute you and your little friends go around thumbing down comments, it must give you some feeling of pride or something, to everyone else, no one cares, you kids are just in a **** storm. Infact, all you're doing is feeding this site traffic, which seems counter-productive to your goal
Diablo 3 has a 88 on meta critic
TSW has a staggering, amazing, near perfect 73
And I wont bother taking reader reviews seriously, seeing as you retards flooded this site because it gave it a average-mediocre score, I highly doubt you would be able to stop yourself from scoring 10's across the board
what facts am I trying to invalidate? It's a fact half of the professional reviewers have scored it 75 or lower, it's a fact that you lot, in a childish rage, spammed this website, it's a fact that you kids can't take the fact someone doesn't like a game you do
It's also a fact Jonathan Leack has far more respect in this industry than any of you children. he didn't like your cherished game, you know what a mature adult would do? Not care and continue to play
Also being so deeply involved, do you truly think you have an unbiased opinion on the game? It's like I'm arguing with fox news
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
I'm talking about USER ratings, not ratings of paid shill game reviewers:
Metacritic:
Diablo3: 3.8 / 10
TOR: 5.6 / 10
TSW: 8.5 / 10
and those are EXACTLY the numbers those titles deserve, in exactly that order. And I've played all three of them. I regret the first two titles though. Seriously, what a rip off D3 and TOR were.
Don't act like you actually want to discuss TSW, I pointed out several flaws and gaps in the review and surprisingly no one cares that this review is simply a piece of amateur journalism. This pro-reviewer did not post his character name to deliver some evidence that he actually played, most likely he is embarrassed and didn't know it is possible to track every character progress in the TSW online chronicle. Liar caught in the act.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
who's really twisting the numbers asshat
Imnickson
Joined: Jul 2006
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
All that counts in reality are user scores. Diablo3 and TOR are the biggest fails in the history of videogaming and TSW should receive an award for the IQ requirement, neither the reviewer nor most of the commentators here seem to meet.
Anyway good for the game if WoWtards, Diablo3 Fanbois and TORtanic passengers stay out of TSW.
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Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
What you're arguing is akin to saying "I don't trust food critics, I stand by yelp because... well I can't give you a consistent reason other than saying professional reviews are trolls and paid off... by who I don't know... obviously there's a conspiracy going on"
The only troll her is you, you're a tool, so what, someone doesn't like your favourite game, you got so asshurt by someone else's opinion you had to go sign up on their website and call them a troll.
you figured them out though. GR over a decade ago, foresaw TSW coming out, and knew they had to do something to lower the MetaCritic score by a whopping 4 points. So they took action, they established a reputable website, and after thousands of reviews, the time was nigh to strike, in a cold calculated plan, they wrote a review and..... didn't say the character name, the bastards! They would have gotten away with it to if it weren't for you meddling kids and your dog
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
The only MMO I enjoy or play is EVE, if you want to suggest that is a game for morons, I'll have to visit the hospital for the broken ribs I'll receive from laughing so much. This isn't a case of intelligence, the game didn't resonate with this reviewer, or half the other professional reviewers.
And not that it's a factual point, but if the game was really "too smart hur hur" for the majority, would that not be a point against it when being reviewed by a professional website, as they have to give a verdict on wether or not the masses would enjoy it?
Go enjoy your game, quit wasting your time here. You continue to claim facts, but can't accept most reviewers, even those who gave it a positive score, state the controls and combat feel "floaty" and that the writing, while ambitious, routinely fails to deliver.
But apparently I'm just an idiot, because I'm not able to plug my ears and ignore any honest criticism of the game.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Yes, I hate any other MMO I tried, namely TOR, WoW and Gw2, as well as the abomination that is Diablo3 (4.5 of 5 on this fabulous site) although pretty much everyone hates that crappy game.
Anyway, Secret World is the best piece of game software which entered the game market since EvE, period.
I mentioned a list of things not even talked about in the review, other areas which were not covered objectively, and the author lied about his playtime since he was unable to disclose his testcharacter name.
Therefore this "pro review" is not worth more than a post in a random game forum by a common hate troll. Definitely not worth counting to the "professional critics" score on metacritic.
It's incomplete, biased and dishonest, therefore MY professional review of this site and the author is a 0/10. Simple as that.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
This review is not a troll. If he signed up on your website and declared "this game suxxors", yes he'd be a troll. He reviewed a game for this website, put down his thoughts, thoughts you disagree with, and than you came over here to troll.
All you've managed to do is paint TSW's fanbase as fanatical, moronic, over-sensitive children. but thanks for giving me that one point, I'll cherish it and hang it up on my fridge.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Guess CCP also didn't pay enough advertisement bribes.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
you ****ing kids act like this is watergate or something
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Whoa I'd like to see a review on this site of the board game "Chess" then.
I predict the guy who reviewed TSW would give "Chess" 2 out of 5 points. I bet Chess makes him feel hopelessly lost too. He wouldn't have fun after playing the two hours and everything else about the game would be "not worth noting". Then he would complain that he doesn't like the color of his chessboard and the game is missing a solid foundation. End of Jonathan's "Chess" review.
Followed by raging comments that he should better get a job as janitor at IGN head office instead of writing game reviews.
Icepick
Joined: Dec 2002
Just **** off kid, I'm not responding after this, it's just not worth the bandwidth, you can't keep a cohesive argument going. If you feel the score should be hire, good for you, go establish your own website and tell everyone your opinion, but quit trying to **** on others because their views and what pleases them differs from yours.
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
/thread
Captiosus
Joined: Jul 2012
"Professional reviewers are paid shills! User reviews are smart and anyone who disagrees is a retard!"
Let me display just how idiotic that argument is with one simple phrase: Mass Effect 3 Review Bombing.
You complain about professional reviewers being paid shills and then tell people to trust reviews where any schmuck with an e-mail address can post. Those schmucks can be blind fanboys, people with an axe to grind, or normal gamers. With user reviews, there's no way to discern credibility OR identity so anyone with multiple e-mail addresses could spam multiple inflated reviews. The sheer fact that most games get swamped with 10's and 0's prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that user reviews are more flawed than "professional" reviews.
From where I sit, the only "retard" here is you for trashing one skewed metric and trying to replace it with a *far less credible* AND *much more skewed* metric.
Aurora_Borealis
Joined: Jul 2008
Aurora_Borealis
Joined: Jul 2008
ShadeTail
Joined: Nov 2006
Please, stay longer. You losers amuse me. :)
crucible
Joined: Jul 2012
Still, the quality of the comments here exceeds the quality of this review.
ShadeTail
Joined: Nov 2006
banks72301
Joined: Jul 2012
You are VERY amateur. You try to use "puns" but they come off embarassing and unfunny. You comment to people's post as if you were just another nerd raging forum troll. You actually used "barrens chat" as a way to describe chat. Thats what the every day person with no professionalism and understanding of how games and people work say.
What happened with your life? Did GT, IGN, or GAMESPOT not accept your application but this website that has the inner workings of a poorly ran Walmart decided they need a reviewer and just picked you up because you were one of the only losings who knew about this website and were willing to apply?
You are NOT cool, people WILL NOT remember you. Everybody is just having fun challenging you're review because ur a noob.
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
UghRochester
Joined: Jun 2006
Imnickson
Joined: Jul 2006
Captiosus
Joined: Jul 2012
Most sane, rational, people will be able to see right through the noise. How many times have we seen this same playbook in the last few years? Aion, Rift, DCUO, TOR and the beat goes on. Funny how most of these initially negative reviews almost always end up being the most accurate over the long term.
hewhowasonceme
Joined: May 2011
I have been coming to this site for years and have not agreed with all the reviews, but never did I get that mad. It's a game, it's not that important. To go as far as some did and say if you don't like this game your too dumb, shows that you are immature and incapable of hearing others opinions no matter how flawed it is, and that you are probably 12.
The good thing about this site is that you can tell them your opinions and they actually answer (unless your a troll) and the community here is a very devoted one. So to come here and question Jonathan's integrity or journalism means nothing, much like this review should mean nothing to you.
P.S thanks for the entertainment.
stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
First I'd like to say that I love games. All sorts of games. I currently have GW2 the Digital Deluxe copy preordered. I have an active subscription to SWTOR and still play it at least 3X a week. Some random games that I adore are Borderlands, Bioshock 1 and 2, Gears of War series, Devil May Cry Series, LOTRO, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Baldur's Gate, Halo series and many, many, others.
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Having said that I would now like to admit that I have not reached Egypt even in TSW, so I'm still pretty early in the game, but even in my limited game play, I noticed some glaring items from the review above that in my opinion, were simply inaccurate.
First of all, I would like to agree that the character creator is limited, but that I'm not concerned as they've already announced additional customization coming by way of a plastic surgeon and hairdresser (in July) and a tattoo parlor (maybe in August) that will allow much deeper customization and the ability to make a "pretty female". So, this will not sway my opinion, as they have noted the issue and have already worked to fix it.
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Secondly, the reviewer commented:
"During the first hour it feels like the game is tearing control away from you with dozens of cut-scenes and dialogue"
I completely would like to ignore this statement, as many of my favorite games have cut-scenes that in no way feel like simply because they are there "control is being torn from me". Rather they make me feel more into the game, like I'm part of a story, not some random character out killing 50 rabbits for no reason. I happen to like 'story' in this game as well as others, such as Devil May Cry, Metal Gear series (TONS of cut-scenes), Uncharted series, etc... All great games, for which I am thrilled there are cut-scenes (TSW included).
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Thirdlyand so on, and so on....
I do not feel the animations are clunky at all. The combat is not boring and the missions, not one, has lulled me to sleep (or even came close). On the contrary, I've actually found the missions are quite intriguing, fresh, and are far from the rinse and repeat missions of go kill 50 rabbits for no reason that so many other MMO's simply cannot get away from. The only missions I've found that leave me lost are the Investigation missions (which you can easily by-pass if you want - they are completely optional). If you choose not to bypass them, but still don't want to put the effort into figuring it out on your own (i.e. being lost so you start to do research, look for clues, INVESTIGATE :-)....), then you can simply ask for direction in the mission hints chat channel OR you can simply not pick up the Investigation missions. It's YOUR choice, so there's an option for all of ya, no reason to not like it.
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Again, I can't argue with the reviewer's comment on the later levels feeling less polished since I haven't made it far, but in my limited experience (which still consists of at least 40+ hours on the game) I completely disagree with the following statement he made:
"feel dead with open areas littered with characterless enemies and uninteresting environment"
Some areas are open, yes, but how bad would it suck if every part of the map was a rat maze where the character was shoved down a certain path or into a confined building. What's wrong with open areas...I like to be FREE!!! :D Furthermore, I feel the enemies are not characterless at all. I mean sure not all enemies spark a cinematic telling you their history or how their current condition came to pass, but SOME DO!! I mean if they all did that the reviewer would really, really hate this game...MORE cut-scenes!! WHAT?!
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
I actually like the enemies. The first area alone has a ton of different variations of enemies to kill. Way more than what I found in the first areas in GW, SWTOR, or even LOTRO. Heck I'd say it has more than maybe all of those combined. In the first area alone I ran into: Revenants, Ghosts, axe-toting zombie fireman, naked zombie sea witches, octopus-looking sea creatures, Jack - an evil pumpkin guy, cultists, Hulk zombies, Egg-carrying pod zombies, zombies with huge spikes for an arm, creepy resident-evil looking creatures that crawl around on all fours, wisps, MIB's and yes...tons of normal townsfolk who were turned to zombies, and that's not even counting the crazies you encounter in the first dungeon-like area. Did I find any of these characterless? Maybe the one charred zombie who was already dead laying on the side of the road...the rest were GREAT.
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
In addition to finding the enemies full of character, I also found that environments highly interesting. I found the imagery quite captivating and it really gave me a sense of unease, yet I could sense how prior to the "fog" the town would have been quite beautiful and cozy (aside from the random murder and odd occurrence that tends to happen in the TSW's world), but that's part of it's allure. The first area is a nice harbor town, with some wooded areas that feel dense and quite witching. The second area is very nice, with it's tall cliffs and ocean view, mountains, very captivating....you almost forget there is a flesh eating zombie or gargoyle type creature 20 feet away just hoping to take your head off, but you're reminded quickly! :D
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Overall, this game has been extremely enjoyable for me and will continue to be. Do I think it's for everyone? No, of course not, can't please everyone 100% of the time. BUT....if you're looking for something different, something with less of a 'grind' feel and more of a RP feel, then I think you will really enjoy this game. It has PLENTY to offer that nothing else out there right now has. I know, I play the others that are out there now (including Diablo 3 - and I like it a LOT, I just like this more as I feel it has more to offer).
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stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Based on the reviewer's score of this game (2.5) and the comments in his review...I believe, in my opinion, he may have based this on a BETA run as I've found no dead areas, everywhere seems to be quite lively with folks running around everywhere, have found no quests with bugs (just some difficult quests that cause me to THINK), and grouping has never been an issue.
So....for those of you on the fence, I would absolutely suggest trying this game. It has tons to offer, is quite refreshing in it's take on missions and just a more modern environment, and is well worth the $50 price tag (along with the $14/mo).
My rating of this game would be a solid 4 out of 5, with that score potentially growing (or decreasing) depending on what updates and features are offered down the road.
Now, without further delay....I'm going to play TSW, as I've already lost precious play time by trying to set you guys straight!!! :-(
Thanks!
Imnickson
Joined: Jul 2006
Jonathan_Leack
Joined: Jan 2012
If someone is like me and enjoys fluid combat, captivating environments, good interfacing, and a quality presence of PvP I can't see them ever enjoying The Secret World. However, if someone would enjoy trying something different that has a story cemented in myths with a horror theme I suppose I can see them being happy with their purchase.
stacycmc
Joined: Jul 2012
Based on the reviewer's score of this game (2.5) and the comments in his review...I believe, in my opinion, he may have based this on a BETA run as I've found no dead areas, everywhere seems to be quite lively with folks running around everywhere, have found no quests with bugs (just some difficult quests that cause me to THINK), and grouping has never been an issue.
So....for those of you on the fence, I would absolutely suggest trying this game. It has tons to offer, is quite refreshing in it's take on missions and just a more modern environment, and is well worth the $50 price tag (along with the $14/mo).
My rating of this game would be a solid 4 out of 5, with that score potentially growing (or decreasing) depending on what updates and features are offered down the road.
Now, without further delay....I'm going to play TSW, as I've already lost precious play time by trying to set you guys straight!!! :-(
Thanks!
xDUMPWEEDx
Joined: Jan 2012
Yokomohoyos
Joined: Jul 2012
xDUMPWEEDx
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vlietvandon
Joined: Nov 2008